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I've been watching the anti Trump protests since the election and I've seen a few people on camera saying (often SHRIEKING) things like : "I have family and friends who are undocumented and it's just not fair".
What isn't fair?
That we are planing to enforce our laws?
How do they even DEFEND a position like that? By calling someone a racist or they hate Mexicans if they disagree?
We should not pay for illegal immigrants health care. If they have children; the children are illegal immigrants. We can't get rid of all of them so just do what we can. The people that wanted to move to canada should move to mexico. that is reasonable, I don't care who your are.
Tax breaks for companies and More tax breaks for minorities and urban zones. Jobs mean hope. They may have to work harder than they like, that's a bummer too lady lib.
Wall in California with "liberals welcome" signs. In 20 years lets see what side of the wall is better. History has shown, socialism, without capitalist support, fails
this is not 1900, they were not forced by liberals to pay for immigrants back then. Charity and helping is one thing. But forcing me to pay and taking stuff from my kids because people keep making bad choices is irrational, boarding on insane.
I've been watching the anti Trump protests since the election and I've seen a few people on camera saying (often SHRIEKING) things like : "I have family and friends who are undocumented and it's just not fair".
What isn't fair?
That we are planing to enforce our laws?
How do they even DEFEND a position like that? By calling someone a racist or they hate Mexicans if they disagree?
Ok look here's the fundamental argument on the Democratic side. We have a heart.
It's as simple as that.
Yes it's not fair for the rest of us citizens because they technically broke the law. But most of them are every bit as hardworking as we are. To categorize and generalize all of them as "Rapists" as the very classy President Elect said on the campaign trail hurts them and their dignity as humans on this planet just trying to work and get by, just like the rest of us. Now you can always focus on the details and find someone who will try to abuse the system, this is why we need intelligent lawmakers to make sure the laws don't allow this to happen. Even as citizens, could you think of one law that you broke that weren't caught for? Speeding? Underage drinking? Drinking while driving?
Ok look here's the fundamental argument on the Democratic side. We have a heart.
It's as simple as that.
Yes it's not fair for the rest of us citizens because they technically broke the law. But most of them are every bit as hardworking as we are. To categorize and generalize all of them as "Rapists" as the very classy President Elect said on the campaign trail hurts them and their dignity as humans on this planet just trying to work and get by, just like the rest of us. Now you can always focus on the details and find someone who will try to abuse the system, this is why we need intelligent lawmakers to make sure the laws don't allow this to happen. Even as citizens, could you think of one law that you broke that weren't caught for? Speeding? Underage drinking? Drinking while driving?
we have a heart? cop out. feel good answer to make yourself feel good. Screw everybody else to make yourself feel good. that's what I see.
People are accountable for their actions and do the absolute best we can with the real resources we have ...
we have a heart? cop out. feel good answer to make yourself feel good. Screw everybody else to make yourself feel good. that's what I see.
People are accountable for their actions and do the absolute best we can with the real resources we have ...
That's what our basic claim is.
Ok, then why don't we get rid of, Medicare, SS, Pell Grants, NASA, the EPA, in fact the entire federal government, because we can't even get together to even agree on our values as Americans? A lot of these programs not only make economic sense, they're a lot of "feel good" stuff you're complaining about too.
Last but not least I have friends who are undocumented and they actually work HARDER than the law abiding citizens in this country. They go on to become professors, educators, engineers, architects to contribute to the economy just like normal responsible citizens. You just give no f8cks about this apparently and it's all ME ME ME ME. Talk about entitlement.
They came in illegally. They had to know there was a possibility that this might happen.
It's like a burglar going into a house. They had to know there's a chance they might get caught.
IF the US is a house AND the illegals are buglers coming to steal but of course it is more complicated than that.
The US has traditionally had an open door for immigrants and their arrivals en-masse has not always been a welcome event. In the 1700s, 1880s and early 1900's we had political (often racial) backlashes against the influx of people who some thought of as too different. Looking back these seem silly as the US has absorbed them and they are today a productive part of the populace.
Thought the 1980s, the US contributed to the destabilization of many countries in Latin America by funding right-wing insurgencies in half a dozen different places. This is part of the reason we do catch and release and give refugee status to certain nationalities.
I would be one of the first to say our immigration policy is long overdue for a top to bottom revision and we should secure the border. However, I see some illegals who have worked and paid taxes for 10-20 years. Those folks should be given a path to legal status. The issue is not black and white.
Ok, then why don't we get rid of, Medicare, SS, Pell Grants, NASA, the EPA, in fact the entire federal government, because we can't even get together to even agree on our values as Americans? A lot of these programs not only make economic sense, they're a lot of "feel good" stuff you're complaining about too.
Last but not least I have friends who are undocumented and they actually work HARDER than the law abiding citizens in this country. They go on to become professors, educators, engineers, architects to contribute to the economy just like normal responsible citizens. You just give no f8cks about this apparently and it's all ME ME ME ME. Talk about entitlement.
NO "need" for illegal aliens. Too; why is it Ok for their kind to cut in line of those people, even from Mexico, who followed our laws coming to the US?
NO "need" for illegal aliens. Too; why is it Ok for their kind to cut in line of those people, even from Mexico, who followed our laws coming to the US?
The "Need" is defined by what?
I never said it's OK to essentially cut in the line. But it's NOT OK and INHUMANE to just get rid of them all to feed your belief that we can do just fine without aliens yet, what's stopping from citizens from having children? Do we need those extra babys too?
I never said it's OK to essentially cut in the line. But it's NOT OK and INHUMANE to just get rid of them all to feed your belief that we can do just fine without aliens yet, what's stopping from citizens from having children? Do we need those extra babys too?
I don't care about the feelings about illegal aliens cause if their kind are being picked up and deported.
MUCH better for US citizens to have more kids than especially illegal aliens.
Last but not least I have friends who are undocumented and they actually work HARDER than the law abiding citizens in this country. They go on to become professors, educators, engineers, architects to contribute to the economy just like normal responsible citizens. You just give no f8cks about this apparently and it's all ME ME ME ME. Talk about entitlement.
I've had friends and known many people who are undocumented also, and I agree with you; many, if not most, are decent, hard working people. However, they are decent hard-working people who made a serious mistake -- they came here in violation of federal law.
Its a universal principle of law in every civilized nation that culpability for a crime is not erased by a person's subsequent behavior. Migrants who break the immigration laws and then live as model citizens may certainly ask for clemency, but should not be heard to argue that it is "unfair" that they be deported. It is not just their interests on the line, but also the interests of other people, i.e., Americans, whose interests are worth no less than theirs.
I am honestly sorry that so many people find themselves in their situation. But if the US (or any country) fails to enforce its laws it is just extending an invitation to others to break them, since we apparently don't care. Ever see what happens when too many people pile into a lifeboat? Not to mention that failing to screen who comes in is just asking for trouble; since not all undocumenteds are hard-working and law-abiding, and we would like to screen out those who are not.
Lastly, you can relax a bit. Trump is not going to send HS agents house to house to round up illegals. However, he will strengthen the borders and take measures to reduce the incentives for illegal immigration. And, IMO any illegal who is arrested should not expect to be put back out on the street.
Ok look here's the fundamental argument on the Democratic side. We have a heart.
It's as simple as that.
Yes it's not fair for the rest of us citizens because they technically broke the law. But most of them are every bit as hardworking as we are. To categorize and generalize all of them as "Rapists" as the very classy President Elect said on the campaign trail hurts them and their dignity as humans on this planet just trying to work and get by, just like the rest of us. Now you can always focus on the details and find someone who will try to abuse the system, this is why we need intelligent lawmakers to make sure the laws don't allow this to happen. Even as citizens, could you think of one law that you broke that weren't caught for? Speeding? Underage drinking? Drinking while driving?
Where's the Democrat's heart for the American citizens and their families who have been negatively impacted by illegal immigration? It doesn't seem to exist for them.
Hard work does not excuse anyone for breaking the law especially when that hard work is from stealing an American's job. No one called them all rapists, etc.
How does Americans breaking the laws within their own country and paying for it when caught negate the law breaking of illegal aliens who don't even have a right to be in this country? Instead they get pat on the head, a stay of deportation along with work permits.
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