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Old 06-26-2017, 11:44 PM
 
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A path to legalization already exists for anyone, those here or elsewhere. They can go to their respective country of origin and apply to immigrate to this country like any other law abiding resident or citizen. The system is not broken, nothing needs to change, apply and see if they can get in like a respectable law abiding person. The real reason this rhetoric keeps getting repeated is because the majority of those people will not be able to get in because we don't want them. No country in the world wants to take in poor uneducated unskilled people.
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Old 06-27-2017, 05:03 AM
 
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Yes study to be a nurse or dr and you are set
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Old 06-27-2017, 06:49 AM
 
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A path to legalization already exists for anyone, those here or elsewhere. They can go to their respective country of origin and apply to immigrate to this country like any other law abiding resident or citizen. The system is not broken, nothing needs to change, apply and see if they can get in like a respectable law abiding person. The real reason this rhetoric keeps getting repeated is because the majority of those people will not be able to get in because we don't want them. No country in the world wants to take in poor uneducated unskilled people.
I'm guessing billions would come here if we let them. On that note, what makes the Mexicans and Guatemalans so special? Pretty lopsided immigration numbers.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:06 AM
 
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as long as it provides a path to legalization to those already here.

No real American is rewarded for breaking the law. Why on earth should we reward law-breakers who don't even belong here?


On a side note, we also need to make sure they aren't able to wire money back to their countries. That will also put a damper on their plans to be here.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:07 AM
 
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No real American is rewarded for breaking the law. Why on earth should we reward law-breakers who don't even belong here?


On a side note, we also need to make sure they aren't able to wire money back to their countries. That will also put a damper on their plans to be here.
A fee on remittances is a great idea.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:57 PM
 
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No real American is rewarded for breaking the law. Why on earth should we reward law-breakers who don't even belong here?


On a side note, we also need to make sure they aren't able to wire money back to their countries. That will also put a damper on their plans to be here.
Consider the extenuating circumstances that led to them being here without permission. DOn't look at it as rewarding them. We will make them pay back taxes and become assimilated in American culture and norms before legalization. Why should we tax remittances? These people hardly make enough money and you want to impose an additional hardship on them and their families.
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Old 06-28-2017, 11:20 PM
 
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Because it makes little sense to uproot millions of people who have already settled here. We need to strike a grand bargain for these people and many Americans believe that would be a fair outcome.

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I support everything you said as long as it provides a path to legalization to those already here.
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Consider the extenuating circumstances that led to them being here without permission. DOn't look at it as rewarding them. We will make them pay back taxes and become assimilated in American culture and norms before legalization. Why should we tax remittances? These people hardly make enough money and you want to impose an additional hardship on them and their families.
We tried this before---in 1986, and it was a total disaster. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Who cares if they get uprooted? They have no business being here in the first place. When one lives outside the law, one should expect to pay the consequences for having done so.

We have Americans who have been uprooted in the name of urban renewal. It happened to my grandmother. My concerns are for Americans who get uprooted through no fault of their own.

So, what you are saying is that you plan to move some of those uprooted illegals into your own home? How many do you have room for in your home?

We should tax remittances as that is money that isn't being put back into our economy.

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Old 06-28-2017, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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Consider the extenuating circumstances that led to them being here without permission. DOn't look at it as rewarding them. We will make them pay back taxes and become assimilated in American culture and norms before legalization. Why should we tax remittances? These people hardly make enough money and you want to impose an additional hardship on them and their families.
Go check out East LA, The Rampart area, or virtually any street in Pacoima and Arleta and see how well they're assimilating.

And they make more than you think, because many pack into 1 home, their living fees are low,and many don't pay taxes. If they were making so little, they would go back home where they are legal and make very little there.

I was just in Mexico for a couple of days. For a supposed super poor country, there are cars EVERYWHERE, and many Dental offices, doctor offices, Police, Border Agents, Waiters, Bartenders, Cab Drivers and Attorney offices I'm sure are there too, even tho I didn't run into any personally. Anyway, this debunks the "THERE ARE NO JOBS" theory. But we seem to attract the low achieving illegals who could easily do much of the same work back home with the same social service network to leech off
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Because it makes little sense to uproot millions of people who have already settled here. We need to strike a grand bargain for these people and many Americans believe that would be a fair outcome.
They're illegal. Deport them.

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I support everything you said as long as it provides a path to legalization to those already here.
Prove that amnesty well work.
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Old 07-28-2017, 03:38 AM
 
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It will NEVER happen. The senate will NEVER appropriate $$$ for such a force. Thank God.
Why is it a good thing to not deport illegals? Do you not believe in the rule of law?

We could rid ourselves of the illegals pretty quick if we criminalize the hiring of illegals. When corporate managers and suburban housewives start going to jail for hiring illegals, they will start self-deporting themselves. There is already the ability to verify if applicants are legal or not, but far too many still get away with hiring illegals.
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