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Old 08-21-2018, 05:20 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Actually it is a gross failure of ICE. They simply cannot do their job. This guy should have been deported years ago.

They only rational solution is to reduce the illegal population to a small enough number that all new illegals are tracked down within a few months. Only rational way to do that is to legalize most of those presently here.
Sounds stupid to me.should we give amnesty to all criminals or just them.even stupider

 
Old 08-21-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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“That’s what she gets for not wearing her burka.” -Mohammed
Wrong group of people for your faux outrage.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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And there would be a shortage of farm workers, prices would sky rocket...

Because the truth is, slot of these illegal immigrants are not taking jobs away from Americans. They're working the jobs that no one else wants.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...mmigrant-labor



The crackdown on illegal immigration is forcing the agricultural industry to move to automation and increase wages for it's workers.




Farmers and food companies increasingly are moving to automate dairy operations, chicken processing, crop production and harvesting. Even delicate crops such as strawberries and peaches are being considered for mechanization.
“You’d be a fool to not have a plan that moves you that way,” said Duff Bevill, who owns a vineyard management company in Sonoma County, California.
Pilgrim’s Pride Corp, (PPC.O) the second largest U.S. chicken producer, this year cited a tightening migrant labor market as key to its decision to invest in robots and X-ray technology for its slaughterhouses. The goal: to swap human hands for machines that can debone the front half of chickens and perform other chores.
“We’re investing heavily in automating our processes, taking labor out and making jobs easier,” Pilgrim’s CEO William Lovette said in an earnings call. He said the company also decided to increases wages.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKBN1DA0IQ
 
Old 08-21-2018, 05:24 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Arabianhorsebreeder View Post
Build the wall and slam the door. I'm so sick of the "rights" of illegals put ahead of American citizens.
I DON'T want to "slam the door" - Keep in mind that it is the Leftist Democrats that will NOT allow an Immigration bill to even be voted on IF any Republican President is in office.

We have an outdates and under informed "immigration" program. They are Cannon Fodder to the Leftists and we know this for a fact because they STOP any Immigration reforms - EVEN the DACA fix.


It's MORE important to the Leftists to fight Legislation and excuse Gang Murders than it is to actually sit down and figure out what is good for them and Best for the USA and it's citizens.

They turn my stomach ....... for some totally deranged reason, these Leftists actually believe that:
Put Immigrants FIRST- even if they are thieves or Killers or Gang Members. #AbolishICE

Mexican American CITIZENS do not agree ... they are often afraid of these people.
Add to that -- they really want some type of program that WORKS, a guest worker program that works.
The ability to cross the border to visit Family that WORKS. The ability for Family to visit that WORKS.

Politics has destroyed our Immigration system. It has to STOP and get something that WORKS.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 05:29 PM
 
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Fine. But what does that have to do with treating a large population of people who are guilty of immigration violations as though they were complicit in a horrible murder?



Actually, politicians attempt to convince us that is the only law they break when they enter the U.S. illegally however, that's just the beginning.




For years advocates of amnesty and high levels of immigration have described the illegal alien population as one made up of "otherwise law-abiding" people who have committed no violation other than the simple act of crossing a border illegally or overstaying a visa.1 Journalists routinely invoke this language when writing about amnesty, conspicuously avoiding any discussion of the various crimes the average working illegal alien commits. Many politicians have also embraced the myth of the otherwise law-abiding illegal alien in an effort to promote amnesty, arguing that illegal aliens are no threat to the United States.2
But the average illegal alien violates numerous statutes, often creating real victims.
This Backgrounder details the many statutes the average illegal alien who is simply "here to work" may be violating. The violations include laws involving the entry, presence, and travel of illegal aliens as well as laws related to employment such as perjury and identity theft. Examples of oft-violated but under-enforced laws include:
  • False Personation of a U.S. Citizen (18 U.S.C. § 911). Illegal aliens often present themselves as U.S. citizens, an act punishable by up to five years in jail, a felony. This law is often cited in immigration prosecutions and may involve, for example, an alien claiming U.S. citizenship to his employer.
  • Fraud and False Statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001). It is common for illegal aliens to make false statements to the government or on official documents. An illegal alien violates this law when claiming to be a U.S. citizen on an I-9 Employment Eligibility form and faces a fine and up to five years imprisonment.
  • Social Security Fraud (42 U.S.C. § 408). This statute has been invoked where an illegal alien provided a false Social Security number for the purpose of acquiring a job, where an illegal alien used a fraudulent Social Security number for the purpose of acquiring a driver's license, and when an illegal alien used a Social Security card belonging to a citizen in order to obtain Section 8 housing, for example. Violation of this statute can result in a fine and/or imprisonment up to five years. The court can also require violators to provide restitution to the victims.
This Backgrounder does not address crimes of violence, property crimes like vandalism, or other acts like gang activity and drunk driving. The focus is on statutes that come into play when a person enters the country illegally or overstays a visa and becomes employed.

https://cis.org/Myth-Otherwise-LawAbiding-Illegal-Alien
 
Old 08-21-2018, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Of course the regressive left will say she would of just been killed by some American citizen if this illegal didn’t kill her .

Build the wall . End sanctuary cities now .


You swiped the letters right off my keyboard.

How many more Americans will be murdered by illegals, here to prey on us? Wake up, sheeple.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Wrong group of people for your faux outrage.

It beats having NO outrage.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 05:33 PM
 
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I DON'T want to "slam the door" - Keep in mind that it is the Leftist Democrats that will NOT allow an Immigration bill to even be voted on IF any Republican President is in office.

We have an outdates and under informed "immigration" program. They are Cannon Fodder to the Leftists and we know this for a fact because they STOP any Immigration reforms - EVEN the DACA fix.


It's MORE important to the Leftists to fight Legislation and excuse Gang Murders than it is to actually sit down and figure out what is good for them and Best for the USA and it's citizens.

They turn my stomach ....... for some totally deranged reason, these Leftists actually believe that:
Put Immigrants FIRST- even if they are thieves or Killers or Gang Members. #AbolishICE

Mexican American CITIZENS do not agree ... they are often afraid of these people.
Add to that -- they really want some type of program that WORKS, a guest worker program that works.
The ability to cross the border to visit Family that WORKS. The ability for Family to visit that WORKS.

Politics has destroyed our Immigration system. It has to STOP and get something that WORKS.



You make good points, but nothing will work until immigration laws on the books are strictly enforced. And yes, I do believe a wall is necessary: "virtual" security enforcement is only as strong as the administration in power at any given time.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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i agree that Finger seems a bit triggered, however those crossing the border illegally are criminals
It may be a crime, but not one requiring the death penalty.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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It is terrible that she was murdered, and by an illegal alien, no less. This should never have happened.

She said this at the end of last year, however:

https://twitter.com/Motibbs/status/940792919266680833

Sure would be nice if everyone could spend that energy used on hating to protecting our country and citizens, instead.
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