Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-15-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
4,426 posts, read 5,154,316 times
Reputation: 3053

Advertisements

And who are those people that claim all these polls showing Americans favor a pathway to legalization for illegal aliens?

National Poll Finds Most Americans Believe Immigration Adversely Affects the Quality... | Reuters
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-15-2009, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Pa
20,300 posts, read 22,221,236 times
Reputation: 6553
I am not at all surprised. Its only a low percentage of idealists who believe that illegals are of any benefit to this nation.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-15-2009, 08:23 PM
 
24 posts, read 31,759 times
Reputation: 19
"National Poll Finds Most Americans Believe Immigration Adversely Affects the Quality and Cost of Healthcare" from Reuters.
Does this surprise you? I get horrible, non-factual, no data emails from "friends" here in the northeast (that bastion of liberalism, right?) in vivid, livid color, saying that immigrants ruin everything. We came when I was a little girl, in 1951. Didn't have to, had a nice life in France, but we loved family already here. Kids learn from their parents and I was called names, "Go back where you came from; we don't want you. Frenchie!" and we were in a "nice" area. Hey! Paris wasn't so bad! Dad had a nice job; we were happy. But my dad was close to his sister and she was here. She and her engineer husband vouched for us, we came through Ellis Island. My father started a job 3 days after arrival. Mom went to school to learn English and worked in a factory. I went to 1st grade and found out that American kids didn't know their multiplication tables up to 4. What?
Every immigrant that I have ever known pays taxes, social security and now medicare. Yet, many Americans I know are young, able and healthy and are getting support for themselves, children, & health care from the government. What is wrong with this picture?
It was awful to dislocate my hip in Paris in '88 whiile on business. No one asked about insurance. They kept me for 4 days to make certain I'd be OK. They figured that I was American because I am, and so is my passport. Don't worry, functionaries are the same everywhere. Birth info is right there! As I left in an ambulance for the airport, a little lady ran after us and waved a paper. "But Madame, the bill!" "Send it to my insurance co. Here 's my card." "But, Madame, we don't send bills." "OK. I'll ask, nicely." Our insurance companies don't ask to pay. The French gov't paid my way because I had an accident. What should they have done? Let my leg hang in my agony? What civilized country would do that?
And, for me, that is the whole matter in a nutshell. We do what we can because we are civilized. Those who can, pay. Immigrants founded this nation. Some were legal, like us, others stowed away from Ireland, England, etc. Where were your ancestors from?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-15-2009, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
21,144 posts, read 42,134,028 times
Reputation: 3861
Quote:
Originally Posted by moogie-mae View Post
"National Poll Finds Most Americans Believe Immigration Adversely Affects the Quality and Cost of Healthcare" from Reuters.
Does this surprise you? I get horrible, non-factual, no data emails from "friends" here in the northeast (that bastion of liberalism, right?) in vivid, livid color, saying that immigrants ruin everything. We came when I was a little girl, in 1951. Didn't have to, had a nice life in France, but we loved family already here. Kids learn from their parents and I was called names, "Go back where you came from; we don't want you. Frenchie!" and we were in a "nice" area. Hey! Paris wasn't so bad! Dad had a nice job; we were happy. But my dad was close to his sister and she was here. She and her engineer husband vouched for us, we came through Ellis Island. My father started a job 3 days after arrival. Mom went to school to learn English and worked in a factory. I went to 1st grade and found out that American kids didn't know their multiplication tables up to 4. What?
Every immigrant that I have ever known pays taxes, social security and now medicare. Yet, many Americans I know are young, able and healthy and are getting support for themselves, children, & health care from the government. What is wrong with this picture?
It was awful to dislocate my hip in Paris in '88 whiile on business. No one asked about insurance. They kept me for 4 days to make certain I'd be OK. They figured that I was American because I am, and so is my passport. Don't worry, functionaries are the same everywhere. Birth info is right there! As I left in an ambulance for the airport, a little lady ran after us and waved a paper. "But Madame, the bill!" "Send it to my insurance co. Here 's my card." "But, Madame, we don't send bills." "OK. I'll ask, nicely." Our insurance companies don't ask to pay. The French gov't paid my way because I had an accident. What should they have done? Let my leg hang in my agony? What civilized country would do that?
And, for me, that is the whole matter in a nutshell. We do what we can because we are civilized. Those who can, pay. Immigrants founded this nation. Some were legal, like us, others stowed away from Ireland, England, etc. Where were your ancestors from?
OK: why do you pro illegal alien apologists insist that the USA have to allow more of those criminals in? Yet; there is precious little desire for the EU do do that same thing-----------if anything, things are becoming more and more hostile in Europe towards legal immigrants let alone illegal aliens.

As for that bit about this country founded in part to illegal immigration----------the same can be said for France, Germany, Ireland, etc.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2009, 04:16 PM
 
24 posts, read 31,759 times
Reputation: 19
Default Aliens- illegal or legal?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ArizonaBear View Post
OK: why do you pro illegal alien apologists insist that the USA have to allow more of those criminals in? Yet; there is precious little desire for the EU do do that same thing-----------if anything, things are becoming more and more hostile in Europe towards legal immigrants let alone illegal aliens.

As for that bit about this country founded in part to illegal immigration----------the same can be said for France, Germany, Ireland, etc.
Why do you assume someone is pro-illegal anything? Because we are be humane if someone needs medical care? What do you do, bend over the crying body of the person and ask, "Are you legal? Do you have insurance? Can't speak- sorry, I have to know before I call 911."
In fact, I believe in honesty, obeying the laws of the land and being a good citizen. Yes, Europeans are no less human than we. Hostility and hatred are created by inflammatory language; that is exactly what Hitler (not an American) counted on.
What are you doing about the situation? I consider trying to cheat the government illegal. All of it. I have kicked out students who cheated (Never show up in my classroom again!), reported restaurants using unsafe health practices (If they don't eat the bread, put it back in the bin) and I try to buy American.
But, would I refuse to help someone hurt by an accident? Never! You?
I'm sure that you are a very nice bear- in spite of your growl.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2009, 04:17 PM
 
24 posts, read 31,759 times
Reputation: 19
Default Aliens- illegal or legal?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ArizonaBear View Post
OK: why do you pro illegal alien apologists insist that the USA have to allow more of those criminals in? Yet; there is precious little desire for the EU do do that same thing-----------if anything, things are becoming more and more hostile in Europe towards legal immigrants let alone illegal aliens.

As for that bit about this country founded in part to illegal immigration----------the same can be said for France, Germany, Ireland, etc.
Why do you assume someone is pro-illegal anything? Because we are humane if someone needs medical care? What do you do, bend over the crying body of the person and ask, "Are you legal? Do you have insurance? Can't speak- sorry, I have to know before I call 911."
In fact, I believe in honesty, obeying the laws of the land and being a good citizen. Yes, Europeans are no less human than we. Hostility and hatred are created by inflammatory language; that is exactly what Hitler (not an American) counted on.
What are you doing about the situation? I consider trying to cheat the government illegal. All of it. I have kicked out students who cheated (Never show up in my classroom again!), reported restaurants using unsafe health practices (If they don't eat the bread, put it back in the bin) and I try to buy American.
But, would I refuse to help someone hurt by an accident? Never! You?
I'm sure that you are a very nice bear- in spite of your growl.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2009, 05:14 PM
 
3,712 posts, read 6,477,905 times
Reputation: 1290
Quote:
Originally Posted by moogie-mae View Post
Why do you assume someone is pro-illegal anything? Because we are be humane if someone needs medical care? What do you do, bend over the crying body of the person and ask, "Are you legal? Do you have insurance? Can't speak- sorry, I have to know before I call 911."
In fact, I believe in honesty, obeying the laws of the land and being a good citizen. Yes, Europeans are no less human than we. Hostility and hatred are created by inflammatory language; that is exactly what Hitler (not an American) counted on.
What are you doing about the situation? I consider trying to cheat the government illegal. All of it. I have kicked out students who cheated (Never show up in my classroom again!), reported restaurants using unsafe health practices (If they don't eat the bread, put it back in the bin) and I try to buy American.
But, would I refuse to help someone hurt by an accident? Never! You?
I'm sure that you are a very nice bear- in spite of your growl.
You do understand that under the EMTALA, any illegal alien who shows up in an ER is evaluated and given care, right?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2009, 05:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego
50,291 posts, read 47,043,365 times
Reputation: 34079
Quote:
Originally Posted by moogie-mae View Post
Why do you assume someone is pro-illegal anything? Because we are be humane if someone needs medical care? What do you do, bend over the crying body of the person and ask, "Are you legal? Do you have insurance? Can't speak- sorry, I have to know before I call 911."
In fact, I believe in honesty, obeying the laws of the land and being a good citizen. Yes, Europeans are no less human than we. Hostility and hatred are created by inflammatory language; that is exactly what Hitler (not an American) counted on.
What are you doing about the situation? I consider trying to cheat the government illegal. All of it. I have kicked out students who cheated (Never show up in my classroom again!), reported restaurants using unsafe health practices (If they don't eat the bread, put it back in the bin) and I try to buy American.
But, would I refuse to help someone hurt by an accident? Never! You?
I'm sure that you are a very nice bear- in spite of your growl.
If you can convince every Illegal Alien on the tax payer funded dole that they should get their hands out of my wallet then then rest of what you are saying might be absorbed. Until then I want the thieves removed, post haste.

Oh and welcome to the boards, I see you have 8 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2009, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
21,144 posts, read 42,134,028 times
Reputation: 3861
Quote:
Originally Posted by moogie-mae View Post
Why do you assume someone is pro-illegal anything? Because we are humane if someone needs medical care? What do you do, bend over the crying body of the person and ask, "Are you legal? Do you have insurance? Can't speak- sorry, I have to know before I call 911."
In fact, I believe in honesty, obeying the laws of the land and being a good citizen. Yes, Europeans are no less human than we. Hostility and hatred are created by inflammatory language; that is exactly what Hitler (not an American) counted on.
What are you doing about the situation? I consider trying to cheat the government illegal. All of it. I have kicked out students who cheated (Never show up in my classroom again!), reported restaurants using unsafe health practices (If they don't eat the bread, put it back in the bin) and I try to buy American.
But, would I refuse to help someone hurt by an accident? Never! You?
I'm sure that you are a very nice bear- in spite of your growl.
Aiding an individual after a serious accident would take precedence, needless to say. That stated: IF the injured person proved to be an illegal alien...........he/she needs to be deported once stable. Read that no longterm care, etc.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2009, 06:33 PM
 
Location: San Diego
50,291 posts, read 47,043,365 times
Reputation: 34079
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanQuest View Post
And who are those people that claim all these polls showing Americans favor a pathway to legalization for illegal aliens?

National Poll Finds Most Americans Believe Immigration Adversely Affects the Quality... | Reuters

The debunking, of the debunking is poetic justice

It's funny when they poll people that don't live in barrios how the numbers change.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:23 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top