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Old 10-19-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mach50 View Post
Here I was thinking you were actually bring up something new...
Something new in the immigration debate?? Surely you jest?


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It was an obscure reference too.
Not judging from the private comments that I'm getting.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:36 PM
 
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I gave you far more credit than you obviously deserve.


Let's start from the beginning.
"Anyone looking at present day Los Angeles, San Francisco, Phoenix, Houston, Albuquerque, Chicago and New York City—cannot help but see and hear that Americans have lost America. Americans surrendered their language and culture to Mexicans"
How does one surrender their language and culture to Mexicans, with particular emphasis on language, when the very places that you cite have their origins in Mexican/Spanish culture to begin with?

This is a recurring theme amongst the angry about immigration crowd who complain about the encroachment of Spanish language speakers when they are sitting comfortably in a home located in a city, town or county that was named by Spanish speakers.

This is know to the rest of world as irony.

Main Entry: iro·ny
Pronunciation: \ˈī-rə-nē also ˈī(-ə)r-nē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural iro·nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirōnia, from eirōn dissembler
Date: 1502
1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning —called also Socratic irony
2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance
3 a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity b : incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play —called also dramatic irony, tragic irony
synonyms see wit

Get it?

Nothing worse than having to explain a punch line to an obtuse audience.
Nonsense. As difficult as it may be to understand, there are vast swaths of the United States where hispanics had nothing at all to do with naming cities.

Phoenix: By 1868, a small colony had formed approximately four miles east of the present city. Swilling's Mill became the new name of the area. It was then changed to Helling Mill, after which it became Mill City, and years later, East Phoenix. Swilling, having been a confederate soldier, wanted to name the new settlement Stonewall after Stonewall Jackson. Others suggested the name Salina, but neither name suited the inhabitants. It was Darrell Duppa who suggested the name Phoenix, inasmuch as the new town would spring from the ruins of a former civilization. That is the accepted derivation of our name.

OUT OF THE ASHES (http://phoenix.gov/CITYGOV/history.html#BORN - broken link)

Houston:In August 1836, John Kirby Allen and Augustus Chapman Allen, two real estate entrepreneurs from New York City, purchased 6,642 acres (27 km²) of land along Buffalo Bayou with the intent of founding a city.[10] The Allen brothers decided to name the city after Sam Houston, the popular general at the Battle of San Jacinto,[10] who was elected President of Texas in September 1836.

http://www.stp.uh.edu/vol66/13/news/news-index.html

Chicago:At the beginning of Caucasian race recorded history, the Chicago area was inhabited by a number of Algonquian peoples, including the Mascoutens and Miamis. Trade links and seasonal hunting migrations linked these peoples with their neighbours, the Potawatomis to the east, Fox to the north, and the Illinois to the southwest. The name "Chicago" is the French version of the Miami-Illinois word shikaakwa (" Wild Onion"), named for the plants common along the Chicago River.

A fresh look at the place name Chicago | Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society | Find Articles at BNET

New York:
The region was inhabited by about 5,000 Lenape Native Americans at the time of its European discovery in 1524 by Giovanni da Verrazzano, an Italian explorer in the service of the French crown, who called it "Nouvelle Angoulême" (New Angoulême). European settlement began with the founding of a Dutch fur trading settlement, later called "Nieuw Amsterdam" (New Amsterdam), on the southern tip of Manhattan in 1614. Dutch colonial Director-General Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Lenape in 1626 for a value of 60 guilders (about $1000 in 2006); a legend, now disproved, says that Manhattan was purchased for $24 worth of glass beads. In 1664, the English conquered the city and renamed it "New York" after the English Duke of York and Albany.

New York City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I live in Chicago. Chicago was most assuredly not established by spanish speakers. We have not 'lost' the city to hispanics nor will we.

Got it, grasshopper?
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Side note here:

The 'Hispanic' presense here in the Phx area is shriveling up since some many of the (mostly Mexican/Central American) illegal aliens have left between the severe recession as well as our employer sanctions law.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:17 PM
 
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TEN REASONS WHY MEXICANS CAPTURED AMERICA: AND AMERICANS LOST
Reason #11: Because EVERYBODY likes Mexican food. Mmmmmmmm… tasty enchiladas.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:32 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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oh and dont forget that salsa is the number 1 condiment!!

ya, they are def. taking over!!!
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:34 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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such paranoia!

please look at SF and you will see one of the worlds culinary capitals and 1 of the US's richest city.

please look at LA and you will see the entertainment capital of the world. does it look like mexican entertainment?

this whole thread is garbage.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:45 PM
 
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Reason #11: Because EVERYBODY likes Mexican food. Mmmmmmmm… tasty enchiladas.
Yeah, well we like Pizza to but that doesn't mean we want millions of illegal Italians here.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:53 PM
 
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Yeah, well we like Pizza to but that doesn't mean we want millions of illegal Italians here.
Mi piace l'italiano! I shaka da fist at you!!
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Funny, after all of the accusations of racism, paranoia, and xenophobia, not one pro-illegal has bothered to refute this info by providing credible data. There has been nothing substantive -- nothing but a preoccupation with city names in response to comments made by Frosty Wooldridge, and nonsensical ‘food’ banter. Interesting.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:41 PM
 
Location: southern california
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lax immigration law enforcement. business advocacy for illegal foreign cheap labor.
but mostly the great american fables,
my 40 year old child will get his PHD this year and rule the world, as soon as he finishes this next nintendo game.
unions are stupid and pointless if i work hard and am honest my employers will treat me fairly.
the rugged individual, does not need to band together with others (unions) for strength, he can strap on his 6 shooter and beat 50 guys all by himself.
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