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Old 02-21-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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Im 25% right now. What makes you think the tax bracket can be lower when you retire?

Having a hundred bucks to spend....wouldn't you rather invest it in the market vs. put it in your 401k? Its going into funds either way but investing it in something like VTI would have bigger returns right?
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:35 PM
 
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Im 25% right now. What makes you think the tax bracket can be lower when you retire?

Having a hundred bucks to spend....wouldn't you rather invest it in the market vs. put it in your 401k? Its going into funds either way but investing it in something like VTI would have bigger returns right?
I have Vanguard as my 401(k) provider so its the best of both worlds...

Just to be correct, 15% tax bracket for married couples is 70,700 maximum, correct?
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:43 PM
 
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I have Vanguard as my 401(k) provider so its the best of both worlds...

Just to be correct, 15% tax bracket for married couples is 70,700 maximum, correct?
Yes but 71k is 25%
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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Im 25% right now. What makes you think the tax bracket can be lower when you retire?

Having a hundred bucks to spend....wouldn't you rather invest it in the market vs. put it in your 401k? Its going into funds either way but investing it in something like VTI would have bigger returns right?
When I retire, we plan to redraw $60K per year in todays money, so that tax bracket is 15% now. I don't know if tax bracket goes up in the future. Noone knows, I guess.

Sending the extra $100 to 401K reduces your taxable income. Investing the $100 in VTI you pay taxes on it when you sell. Also, in your 401k account you may have a total stock market index to take advantage of.

I guess the VTI would have bigger returns, depends on how your 401K is allocated with bonds to equities mixture.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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I have Vanguard as my 401(k) provider so its the best of both worlds...
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Great. You are so lucky. I wish we had Vanguard. So much easier.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:50 PM
 
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When I retire, we plan to redraw $60K per year in todays money, so that tax bracket is 15% now. I don't know if tax bracket goes up in the future. Noone knows, I guess.

Sending the extra $100 to 401K reduces your taxable income. Investing the $100 in VTI you pay taxes on it when you sell. Also, in your 401k account you may have a total stock market index to take advantage of.

I guess the VTI would have bigger returns, depends on how your 401K is allocated with bonds to equities mixture.
Does your money get taxed in the stock market in a taxable account or is what you gain taxed?
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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When I retire, we plan to redraw $60K per year in todays money, so that tax bracket is 15% now. I don't know if tax bracket goes up in the future. Noone knows, I guess.

Sending the extra $100 to 401K reduces your taxable income. Investing the $100 in VTI you pay taxes on it when you sell. Also, in your 401k account you may have a total stock market index to take advantage of.

I guess the VTI would have bigger returns, depends on how your 401K is allocated with bonds to equities mixture.
That means about 1.2mil in todays dollars for a 401k
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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Doesn't it really come down to what tax bracket you will be in when you retire (or what the rates are?)

The problem IMO is that we don't know whether they will increase/decrease in 20 yrs...we can only guess, correct?
yes , but paying full tax rates on equities in a retirement plan can far out weight any increase in tax .

paying special capital gain rates is much preferable. you may qualify for 0 or 5%.
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:01 PM
 
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yes , but paying full tax rates on equities in a retirement plan can far out weight any increase in tax .

paying special capital gain rates is much preferable. you may qualify for 0 or 5%.
So, you are advocating taxable accounts over a 401(k)?
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:08 PM
 
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Roths win over taxable accounts regardless. I advocate roths first over taxable. Next i advocate taxable for equities only, then traditional vs roth will be case by case to see which is better.

401k is great for income stuff, taxable better for only equities
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