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Old 12-29-2014, 06:47 PM
 
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If you had $100k cash, and were willing to risk it all to turn it into $300k in one year's time, where would you put it? This is an honest question. Gambling in Vegas doesn't count. Just curious to hear what people think.
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Old 12-29-2014, 07:07 PM
 
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You'd have to use leverage to have a realistic chance. Futures or options
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Old 12-29-2014, 07:08 PM
 
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Simply put this is impossible to do without extreme downside risk. No financial options give you 3x leverage without massive downside.

The fact is there no doubt hundreds of thousands of retirees and others that are a little goofy / desperate always looking for some crazy returns and NO LEGITIMATE use of your funds will net even 10% return without severe risk -- let me be clear, to walk away with just $110,000 from ANYHTING LEGAL with your $100,000 means you'd really be EXPECTING a risk of loss. That is the way market makers price options!

To find some way to get a 300% return you'd basically be inviting not just loss of $100,000 but incurring some huge negative liability...

It would be like spending $100,000 right now to have Seahawks Super Bowl Championship gear printed up and then having to pay a landfill to bury it if they get bumped off... And really if they win is anybody going to pay 3x more from you because you're the first guy with the stuff?

That is not how investing works.

Even if had some kind of business where you could take your "raw material" and make it 3x more valuable by "processing" if you do not have willing customers there is no return...
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Old 12-29-2014, 07:24 PM
 
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I understand there's extreme downside risk. That's the whole point- willing to lose ALL of the money with a chance for big gains. I was looking for suggestions on say, a single stock or something. There are many energy companies where they've lost over 80% of their stock value. Some of these may be worth a shot if crude oil somehow turned around at some point. This thread was more about "I would do this" rather than "you can't do it."
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Old 12-29-2014, 07:27 PM
 
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One of the reasons I ask this is because I was going to buy Ford stock back when it was around $2 or so, and I didn't. It darn near went to $20. There are a number of big name stocks which did this.

The whole idea of this thread was to just get people's opinions if they had $100k to try to triple in a year's time. It's not something I'm going to do, but it's an exercise I like to think about.

Edit: Rather than print up a bunch of Seahawks jerseys, I'd just put the whole amount on the Seahawks. That's the Vegas gamble I told you I wasn't interested in.

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Old 12-29-2014, 07:44 PM
 
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Tony Montana could turn 100K into 300K in a lot less than a year
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Old 12-29-2014, 08:02 PM
 
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If you had $100k cash, and were willing to risk it all to turn it into $300k in one year's time, where would you put it? This is an honest question. Gambling in Vegas doesn't count. Just curious to hear what people think.
Even in Vegas you wouldn't get those odds.

I think the max sports bet is like 50K straight up and I think Roulette has the highest normal single bet at maybe 10K?

The less bets you make, the more chance you have to go a small hot streak and gouge the casino. Your chances would be quite good to hit red twice in a row and make your 200K profit if you had the balls, but I don't even think you'd get the chance.
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Old 12-29-2014, 08:17 PM
 
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One of the reasons I ask this is because I was going to buy Ford stock back when it was around $2 or so, and I didn't. It darn near went to $20. There are a number of big name stocks which did this.

The whole idea of this thread was to just get people's opinions if they had $100k to try to triple in a year's time. It's not something I'm going to do, but it's an exercise I like to think about.

Edit: Rather than print up a bunch of Seahawks jerseys, I'd just put the whole amount on the Seahawks. That's the Vegas gamble I told you I wasn't interested in.
Not in one year. Go look at the last time Ford traded under $10. It's 52 week low is $13.26.
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Old 12-29-2014, 08:17 PM
 
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Look, you may think you are "not interested in a Vegas gamble" but that is the only way that you can get 300% return, and that assumes they let you into "no limit" blackjack tournament or something equally whacky.

There is no way to get into a "pre IPO" situation with some hotshots that are trying to get Apple to build their next secret screen formula nor is there any way that somebody with just $100k to be part of some "angel investors group" that is backing some guys that makes the Facebook executive worry ...

If there is some break through in "cold fusion" it won't go from a $3M market cap firm to just $9M market firmin a year, it'll be more like $10B over 4-5 years and that's if there is nothing but 4 years of good news, which is exceedingly unlikely.
Ditto for breakthroughs in anti-cancer or Ebola vaccines...
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Old 12-29-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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Not in one year. Go look at the last time Ford traded under $10. It's 52 week low is $13.26.
I wasn't saying this year, I was just using Ford as an example of a company whose stock was in the tank, and then went up almost tenfold.

This question was more along the lines of the exercise I did way back in the day in a business math class, where we all picked something- stock, gold, etc.- to see who came out ahead in a year. That's all.
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