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Old 12-29-2014, 08:51 PM
 
Location: The Pacific NW.
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Look, you may think you are "not interested in a Vegas gamble" but that is the only way that you can get 300% return
$100k to $300k is a 200% return.

The leveraged ETF TNA, for example, returned over 200% from Nov. 2012 to Nov. 2013, so it is possible. All you need is another screamin' bull market uptrend.
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Old 12-29-2014, 08:52 PM
 
Location: In my own world
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Even in Vegas you wouldn't get those odds.

I think the max sports bet is like 50K straight up and I think Roulette has the highest normal single bet at maybe 10K?

The less bets you make, the more chance you have to go a small hot streak and gouge the casino. Your chances would be quite good to hit red twice in a row and make your 200K profit if you had the balls, but I don't even think you'd get the chance.
The Seahawks odds are 5/2 right now. Not sure what the max bet is. But that's crazy. I would never bet a huge sum on a sports game. EVER. I'd rather stick it on one stock, and then see what happens.
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Old 12-29-2014, 08:54 PM
 
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$100k to $300k is a 200% return.

The leveraged ETF TNA, for example, returned over 200% from Nov. 2012 to Nov. 2013, so it is possible. All you need is another screamin' bull market uptrend.
Thanks for the info.
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Old 12-29-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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It can be done with UWTI or DWTI. I couldn't hold those and be able to sleep at night.
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Old 12-29-2014, 09:22 PM
 
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If you had $100k cash, and were willing to risk it all to turn it into $300k in one year's time, where would you put it? This is an honest question. Gambling in Vegas doesn't count. Just curious to hear what people think.
If you are willing to risk it all without incurring any negative liability, DO NOT use leverage. Research penny stocks that are currently undervalued, with strong ubdelying fundamentals and good business plan. Maybe find 20 of these and put $5k on each. Do your research well. All you need is 1 to really shine, 2 to do great, and the rest can go to pot.

That is probably the highest risk adjusted way to make 300% in 1 year but the probability of being successful is slim to none. Nevertheless that is the most legitimate way without leverage, unless you have the opportunity to invest in businesses external to the market.
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Old 12-30-2014, 03:57 PM
 
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Interesting question.
I would find high-beta stocks, 5 undervalued and 5 overvalued; and buy ATM calls and puts respectively, $10K per security.
Any time I happen to be over $300K (if it happens) I would close out all positions immediately and walk away from the table.

Of course, this is pure gambling.
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Old 12-30-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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One of the reasons I ask this is because I was going to buy Ford stock back when it was around $2 or so, and I didn't. It darn near went to $20. There are a number of big name stocks which did this.

The whole idea of this thread was to just get people's opinions if they had $100k to try to triple in a year's time. It's not something I'm going to do, but it's an exercise I like to think about.

Edit: Rather than print up a bunch of Seahawks jerseys, I'd just put the whole amount on the Seahawks. That's the Vegas gamble I told you I wasn't interested in.
I did buy Ford when it was 2.50 but was only willing to speculate a few thousand shares that I could hold for a year. Worked out well, as did GRA, and SLW and especially IR.

You need to find a company that may have been unfairly or overly punished by Wall Street. Need to hold over a year to save on capital gains taxes as well. Although the Dems may have changed that since then.
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Old 12-30-2014, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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If you have the stones, Penny stocks are most likely chance.

Or essentially bet that a driller like RIG has a huge comeback.
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Old 12-31-2014, 01:21 AM
 
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The Seahawks odds are 5/2 right now. Not sure what the max bet is. But that's crazy. I would never bet a huge sum on a sports game. EVER. I'd rather stick it on one stock, and then see what happens.
I don't know that much about stocks, but I do gambling.

The more $, you have the more you can make it work to your advantage. To win $100 on the Cowboys versus Detroit, you lay out $300. Will the Cowboys win? Probably.

So, in order to make $300,000, you must lay out a million dollars. That is actually not a bad bet, but no casino will take that.

If you are able to come up with 5 million dollars, then you probably will be able to get 300K in a year. See what I mean? The more capital you have to invest, the more you get back. Others can comment more, I just kind of stumbled on this thread. But I think the concept is the same.

I would say a better question for you to ask is ....

"If I have $100,000, what kind of return can I realistically expect with quite minimal risk of negative loss?"
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Old 12-31-2014, 02:50 AM
 
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see the movie the gambler
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