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Old 02-06-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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It won't end until most people turn bearish however.
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Old 02-08-2016, 07:08 AM
 
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Of course, you realize, that it is a sucker's bet !
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Old 02-08-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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So I guess that includes you, Perma Bear.
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Old 02-08-2016, 07:29 AM
 
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Generally, no. After a market turns down, you find a lot of bulls on here and elsewhere trying to argue the market up. The same happens with bears after a market turns up. Very few traders/investors fall outside the perma camp. In bull markets, permabulls present themselves as experts. In bear markets, it's the permabears. The sad thing is that they come to believe it.
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:31 AM
 
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Correction? The eternal optimist. Anyone who has been following the Bubble Troubles caused by the Central Banks knows that this is not going to be a simple correction. Even after two Debt Bubbles in two decades, there are still those who believe that the way out is even a bigger Debt Bubble.

Observe what happens after each Debt Bubble and observe how in each case the "correction" gets worse. Three times a charm?
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Old 02-08-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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Correction? The eternal optimist. Anyone who has been following the Bubble Troubles caused by the Central Banks knows that this is not going to be a simple correction. Even after two Debt Bubbles in two decades, there are still those who believe that the way out is even a bigger Debt Bubble.

Observe what happens after each Debt Bubble and observe how in each case the "correction" gets worse. Three times a charm?

Short to zero but when the Fed using QE is a permanent fixture of their tool box, you will be hurt.
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Old 02-08-2016, 10:43 AM
 
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Short to zero but when the Fed using QE is a permanent fixture of their tool box, you will be hurt.

QE is done. Negative interest rates do nothing as proven in the European and Japanese markets. We are in for pain unless someone can figure out how to retrieve the $trillions that were stolen by corrupt politicians and industrialists. Just remember, it was the Central Banks that enabled the theft.
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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QE is done. Negative interest rates do nothing as proven in the European and Japanese markets. We are in for pain unless someone can figure out how to retrieve the $trillions that were stolen by corrupt politicians and industrialists. Just remember, it was the Central Banks that enabled the theft.

Are you just shorting individual stocks and buying short etf's then? GOld...
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:14 AM
 
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Are you just shorting individual stocks and buying short etf's then? GOld...
I don't gamble with retirement money. However, I watch economic events closely for what it means for my son and his generation. It is really quite nerve racking.
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Old 02-08-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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Generally, no. After a market turns down, you find a lot of bulls on here and elsewhere trying to argue the market up. The same happens with bears after a market turns up. Very few traders/investors fall outside the perma camp. In bull markets, permabulls present themselves as experts. In bear markets, it's the permabears. The sad thing is that they come to believe it.
1870 was a key level to break. Below 1810 would confirm the multiyear top is in. The correction down to 1600 near the market tops in 2000 and 2007 is now targeted (at 1x the distance from high of 2135 to the low for the top). That's probably the minimum pullback or the highest price at which the correction would end. It represents a pullback to the breakout of the 2000 and 2007 highs which need to be tested.
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