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Nobody outside the US cares about Kaepernick. Inside the US, opinion is hotly divided. Obviously Nike's shareholders skew largely affluent, top 10%ers. Nike's customers are less affluent, bottom 80%ers mostly.
It's odd that a company doing well is making a hail Mary pass. It would be one thing if Adidas did this. But Nike is an established brand. A mass-market established brand can't just become "counter-cultural" or "anti-establishment" because it is the establishment.
Sneakers are one thing were the switching costs are VERY low, and the purchasing frequency is also LOW. Customers can easily choose another brand. It's not like Starbucks when they took a social stance, they are often one of the more convenient better run shops in a town. Personally, I don't think many people will buy more Nike's to look "woke" or whatever. It's already such a saturated brand. It's not really making much of a statement to wear Nikes. Nothing really.
So on the net this might hurt Nike. If not, we live in very strange times indeed.
Haha good one, ignore every pro-kap post and choose mine to say knock it off. My OP is very much investment related, you can scroll through the posts to see when it became a debate about kap. However, even debating kap still relates to NKE because it gives an indication do more people support NKE or oppose.
You're the OP - if YOU can't stay on topic that's pretty bad. You showed your true colors....
He is working and paid millions to play a game, not protest. Try doing that in any job and see what happens.
If your employer paid you millions and allowed you to protest what’s the problem?
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Haha good one, ignore every pro-kap post and choose mine to say knock it off. My OP is very much investment related, you can scroll through the posts to see when it became a debate about kap. However, even debating kap still relates to NKE because it gives an indication do more people support NKE or oppose.
It might be because of you starting the thread and continued comments to conflate issues. Wounded veterans have nothing to do with this topic other than to distract, conflate and admonish supporters of somethingnother than veterans which leads back to the start in that they, wounded veterans are not relevant to the thread. You bring them in for irrational and emotional reasons. The same can be said for your comments about how much Kap made playing a game. It’s rather simplistic to narrow it that far down but it’s done for emotional play. Yeah they play a game, a game that earns many many billions of dollars a year of which how many people can be starting qbs or even backup? Yeah that’s right why don’t we stick to the math behind it?
Nobody outside the US cares about Kaepernick. Inside the US, opinion is hotly divided. Obviously Nike's shareholders skew largely affluent, top 10%ers. Nike's customers are less affluent, bottom 80%ers .
Nike is about 85% institutionly owned. That includes a lot of mutual funds and the like owned by a lot of average people.... people who don't even know they have some money tied to Nike.
I hope so. I despise their support for him. Whining baby will take home millions based on this.
I don't disagree with his message, just how he used a fun, American sport to make the games now so negative, so unpleasant.....many of us don't even want to watch.
My solution?
Quit showing the pregame, just begin with kickoff and let us be in peace.
Tony Dungy had a smart idea on PTI yesterday that at the very beginning the NFL should have given the players 15 minutes in press conferences to have the platform to speak their issues. This could have diffused the situation where they felt stifled and took the attention away from the anthem.
Instead the whole situation turned into a raging dumpster fire.
My wife and I stopped watching the nfl for a year because many of us watch sports to get away from politics.
If your employer paid you millions and allowed you to protest what’s the problem?
It might be because of you starting the thread and continued comments to conflate issues. Wounded veterans have nothing to do with this topic other than to distract, conflate and admonish supporters of somethingnother than veterans which leads back to the start in that they, wounded veterans are not relevant to the thread. You bring them in for irrational and emotional reasons. The same can be said for your comments about how much Kap made playing a game. It’s rather simplistic to narrow it that far down but it’s done for emotional play. Yeah they play a game, a game that earns many many billions of dollars a year of which how many people can be starting qbs or even backup? Yeah that’s right why don’t we stick to the math behind it?
Kaepernick IS doing this ad campaign because he can’t play foot ball to answer your “paid millions and allowed you to protest” bit. Imo there is a time and place to “protest” and it’s not on the football field while the
National Anthem is being played”...there is an irony there too ....as they are very lucky, grossly over paid pros.
As for Nike ...a very bold controversial move, imo an unecessary one, could and should hurt them,
but probably won’t as the kids who buy the shoes look up to these pros and think it’s cool.
Kaepernick IS doing this ad campaign because he can’t play foot ball to answer your “paid millions and allowed you to protest” bit. Imo there is a time and place to “protest” and it’s not on the football field while the National Anthem is being played”
You didn’t answer anything as I didn’t ask a question. It’s also not your call as to when and where the correct time to protest and while Kap was in the league his employer was okay with it so at that point it was moot
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...there is an irony there too ....as they are very lucky, grossly over paid pros.
Once again it’s not your call on who gets paid what. Additionally I’m not sure how you are arriving at the conclusion someone else is overpaid when the skill set is very specialized in an organization that makes billions of dollars. Maybe you too are overpaid
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As for Nike ...a very bold controversial move, imo an unecessary one, could and should hurt them,
but probably won’t as the kids who buy the shoes look up to these pros and think it’s cool.
Could and should hurt them? Why should it hurt them? It doesn’t compute to me
Tony Dungy had a smart idea on PTI yesterday that at the very beginning the NFL should have given the players 15 minutes in press conferences to have the platform to speak their issues. This could have diffused the situation where they felt stifled and took the attention away from the anthem.
Instead the whole situation turned into a raging dumpster fire.
My wife and I stopped watching the nfl for a year because many of us watch sports to get away from politics.
Must not be much of a fan if that's all it took - or if you enjoy cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Never heard of the color brown? I'm a shade of brown like every "Black" person. I don't like the connotation of "Black" which some people associate with something negative and prefer to be called Brown. I've seen every shade of Brown in persons of color but never Black.
Kaepernick IS doing this ad campaign because he can’t play foot ball to answer your “paid millions and allowed you to protest” bit. Imo there is a time and place to “protest” and it’s not on the football field while the
National Anthem is being played”...there is an irony there too ....as they are very lucky, grossly over paid pros.
As for Nike ...a very bold controversial move, imo an unecessary one, could and should hurt them,
but probably won’t as the kids who buy the shoes look up to these pros and think it’s cool.
"time and a place to protest" = a place where you think it is more convenient and most likely to be ineffective
its probably not the best idea to protest when and where a group that opposes your position decides is the right time and place for you to protest.
i also notice a lot of people point out that they should be grateful that they are being paid millions to play a game and shouldnt protest. that is about the silliest point out there. these people arent protesting for themselves, they are protesting for other people. they are taking advantage of their ability to draw attention to a problem that impacts mostly low income underrepresented people (and risking their millions in the process). that is admirable, not a reason why they should shut up.
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