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Why do you say "falsely attributed to the Jesuits"?
What were the Jesuit oaths hundreds of years ago?
We cannot hide from our history, even if it is distasteful at times. Our ancestors may have been as vicious as ISIS.
I agree that our ancestors may have been violent, but we are not discussing our ancestors.....Neither you nor your father can re-write history ....The oath attributed to the Jesuits was the same BS one you posted...
Anti-Catholics seem to believe that because this document is found in the Library of Congress, that it is a credible document.... Are you anti-Catholic?
My dad was very educated and he knew about the oath taken by members of the Knights of Columbus. Here is a snippet from that oath. No wonder he had a fear of John Kennedy.
"I do further promise and declare that I will have no opinion or will of my own or any mental
reservation whatsoever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey
each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus
Christ."
"I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war,
secretly and openly against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do to extirpate them
from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex, or condition, and that will hang,
bum, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs
of their women, and crush their infants' heads against the wails in order to annihilate their execrable
race. That when the same can not be done openly, I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation
cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of
the persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be
directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the
I must point out in the interest of truth. I was a Catholic and a Member of the "K of C" I never took any such oath. I became a Knight in 1958 and remained one during the remainder my Catholic life.
While I disagree with Catholicism, I also advocate the truth and will point out errors even if it is a fallacy spread about a group I strongly disagree with.
I agree that our ancestors may have been violent, but we are not discussing our ancestors.
Well, that is exactly what I was discussing.
In order to understand our present world, it helps to understand our past and the culture we come from. We see ISIS and Al Quaeda doing things we think are barbaric, but they are no worse than the actions of our own culture a few hundred years ago.
Sure, if ISIS becomes a threat to our safety we will deal with them like we dealt with Germany and Japan 70 years ago, but we should not think that our culture is superior to their culture.
Probably a lot of our feelings about ISIS are based on misinformation, just like my father's feelings about the Knights of Columbus.
I must point out in the interest of truth. I was a Catholic and a Member of the "K of C" I never took any such oath.
OK, where do you think that horrible oath came from?
Did some crackpot just write it in the early 1900's and get it inserted into the Congressional record or is it based on an oath taken by a religious group in the past?
OK, where do you think that horrible oath came from?
Did some crackpot just write it in the early 1900's and get it inserted into the Congressional record or is it based on an oath taken by a religious group in the past?
That I do not know. Your post is the first time I have ever heard of it.
That I do not know. Your post is the first time I have ever heard of it.
I did some searching the origin seems to be Thomas Watson and a book he wrote that was published in 1928. (/although he died in 1922) The book is copyrighted and therefore included in the library of Congress.
Quote:
An Un-American Secret Society Bound to the Italian Pope, By Pledges of Treason and Murder By THOS. E. WATSON Author of "The Story of France," "Napoleon," "Life and Times of Andrew Jackson," "Life and Times of Thomas Jeffer- son," "The Roman Catholic Hierarchy," Etc. Published by THE TOM WATSON BOOK COMPANY, Inc. THOMSON, GEORGIA 1928
I did some searching the origin seems to be Thomas Watson and a book he wrote that was published in 1928.
I also did some searching about the Oath but every reference, including Thomas Watson, seemed to be biased one way or the other.
They did agree the Jesuits were formed by Ignatius of Loyola in the early 1500's, a time of great religious strife in Europe. With all of the religious turmoil going on, it seems reasonable to me that the Jesuits may have had an Oath that is the predecessor to the one erroneously attributed to the Knights of Columbus in 1913.
I also did some searching about the Oath but every reference, including Thomas Watson, seemed to be biased one way or the other.
They did agree the Jesuits were formed by Ignatius of Loyola in the early 1500's, a time of great religious strife in Europe. With all of the religious turmoil going on, it seems reasonable to me that the Jesuits may have had an Oath that is the predecessor to the one erroneously attributed to the Knights of Columbus in 1913.
I recall at one point the Pope was going to Ban the Jesuits as they became very militant and became a threat to the Papacy A little of that can be gleaned from HERE
Seems some restrictions were put in place.
An oath of allegiance to the Papacy could have been one of the restrictions.
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