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Old 07-25-2016, 11:26 PM
 
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I noted the recitations of Al-Fatiha by different people or groups differ in their speed, tone, tune, melody, etc.

Example:
This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUZxx0czuCA

is different from this in tone, speed and melody,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4n44R-sR8

Here is one that is different from the above two;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqa24zNqQg0

There are others that are differently recited from the above.

I read re the Ahadith that Allah expect Muslims to recite in accordance to exactly to the Quran that was revealed to Muhammad and heard by the companions and scribes.

Now since the above are evidence of the different recitations, is it sinful [or wrong] for those who are reciting it differently from the original.

Btw, which of the above is the recitation that is closer to the original?
If none of the above, show an example that is the same as the original.

Another note is:
According to Ahadith, proper understanding one verse of the Quran is 10 times [or 100?] more valuable than the recitation of the verses in prayers without understanding the essence of the message. True?
If true, then recitation is not that important in Islam?
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Old 07-26-2016, 12:47 AM
 
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I noted the recitations of Al-Fatiha by different people or groups differ in their speed, tone, tune, melody, etc.

Example:
This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUZxx0czuCA

is different from this in tone, speed and melody,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4n44R-sR8

Here is one that is different from the above two;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqa24zNqQg0

There are others that are differently recited from the above.

I read re the Ahadith that Allah expect Muslims to recite in accordance to exactly to the Quran that was revealed to Muhammad and heard by the companions and scribes.

Now since the above are evidence of the different recitations, is it sinful [or wrong] for those who are reciting it differently from the original.

Btw, which of the above is the recitation that is closer to the original?
If none of the above, show an example that is the same as the original.

Another note is:
Quote:
According to Ahadith, proper understanding one verse of the Quran is 10 times [or 100?] more valuable than the recitation of the verses in prayers without understanding the essence of the message. True?
If true, then recitation is not that important in Islam?
It is important to recite the Koran
Even without understanding

But the recitations are the seven characters
It is incorrect to suggest that it boiled contradiction in the Koran even in recitation there is a difference between Muslims
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Old 07-26-2016, 12:50 AM
 
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It is the evil of what He has created ???
Did God create evil ?????
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Old 07-26-2016, 01:26 AM
 
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It is the evil of what He has created ???
Did God create evil ?????
As I have been telling you, there is difference in reciting "Koran" and "Qur'an". An unbeliever like you won't be able to understand it.

The same way, mahasn sawresho can't understand that "evil OF created being" is not "evil OF God". The verse does not say evil of "GOD" but the evil of "CREATED". Use your brain!
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Old 07-26-2016, 01:35 AM
 
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As I have been telling you, there is difference in reciting "Koran" and "Qur'an". An unbeliever like you won't be able to understand it.

The same way, mahasn sawresho can't understand that "evil OF created being" is not "evil OF God". The verse does not say evil of "GOD" but the evil of "CREATED". Use your brain!
unbeliever=كافر
Why this word is used in the dialogue and to respond
Even if you're an infidel
What is the problem in that
Do I teach you Islam????
من شر ما خلق
Learn Arabic well
From the evil of
What creating
Who is who created evil
Did God create evil
From the evil of what He has created
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Old 07-26-2016, 01:45 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Continuum View Post
I noted the recitations of Al-Fatiha by different people or groups differ in their speed, tone, tune, melody, etc.

Example:
This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUZxx0czuCA

is different from this in tone, speed and melody,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4n44R-sR8

Here is one that is different from the above two;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqa24zNqQg0

There are others that are differently recited from the above.

I read re the Ahadith that Allah expect Muslims to recite in accordance to exactly to the Quran that was revealed to Muhammad and heard by the companions and scribes.
Yes, in pronunciation rather than in tone or speed.

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Now since the above are evidence of the different recitations, is it sinful [or wrong] for those who are reciting it differently from the original.
No, as long as the essence of the message is not changed.

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Btw, which of the above is the recitation that is closer to the original?
If none of the above, show an example that is the same as the original.
There is no sound recording available of the original. Sound does not matter; 1.5 billion can make 1.5 different sounds. Children's sound will be different from the adults' sound.

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Another note is:
According to Ahadith, proper understanding one verse of the Quran is 10 times [or 100?] more valuable than the recitation of the verses in prayers without understanding the essence of the message. True?
It sounds true.

[4.43] O you who believe! Do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know what you say... Although the verse is in context of being intoxicated, not knowing what you are saying during the prayer loses real purpose of the prayer.

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If true, then recitation is not that important in Islam?
Proper recitation (in pronunciation) is important as sometimes even a slight change can make the word mean something different than intended or the original.
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Old 07-26-2016, 01:45 AM
 
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As I have been telling you, there is difference in reciting "Koran" and "Qur'an". An unbeliever like you won't be able to understand it.
Btw, mahasn sawresho is not a Muslim so those precisions in sound "Koran" or "Qur'an are not applicable to non-Muslims.

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The same way, mahasn sawresho can't understand that "evil OF created being" is not "evil OF God". The verse does not say evil of "GOD" but the evil of "CREATED". Use your brain!
What is the verse reference [Chapter:No.]?

Last edited by Continuum; 07-26-2016 at 01:55 AM..
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by mahasn sawresho View Post
unbeliever=كافر
Why this word is used in the dialogue and to respond
Even if you're an infidel
What is the problem in that
Do I teach you Islam????
من شر ما خلق
Learn Arabic well
From the evil of
What creating
Who is who created evil
Did God create evil
From the evil of what He has created
You can't understand the Qur'an but only your koran. You need brain to understand the Qur'an. Here is why:

[113.1] Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of the dawn,
[113.2] From the evil of what He has created],
[113.3] And from the evil of the utterly dark night when it comes,
[113.4] And from the evil of those who blow on knots,
[113.5] And from the evil of the envious when he envies


God is not the creator of evil in 113:2, God is not dark night in 113:3, it's not God who blows on knots in 113:4 and it's not God who is envious in 113:5. Therefore, as God is none of them, God is not the creator of evil. Got it?
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