02-23-2014, 05:05 PM
Location: NM-CR
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apollo77
As I mentioned in a separate thread, I am considering a move to either the Nocatee or Palencia area. I'm greatly appreciating the opinions in the other thread about these two areas, so now I solicit more advice.
When we lived in So Fla (90's) we had to look for a new home, as ours got blown away. Lennar seemed to have the market cornered, but when we visited build sites and we shooed away by them, we got suspicious. Upon a visit when the building inspectors were on scene we discovered them not putting the required hurricane straps in the roof system. When we pointed it out to the inspectors we were told - not to worry about it. That was when we went with Arthur Rutenberg. We got a similar house to the one we had in Homestead for about a third less and built to the new code. We sold it when we left for South America and actually made money on it.
Heard about Cornerstone - but have no opinion on them
As to flood zones - pretty much the whole state exc for Ocala-Gainesville is in a flood zone of one kind or another. Check with the Fed Flood Insurance webpage to determine what your new policy will cost. Remember to be at least 12 ft above mean high tide - which essentially means you need to build a stilt home.
02-23-2014, 05:05 PM
Location: Nokomis Fl
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Lennar are thought as cheap and awful
02-24-2014, 06:24 AM
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I have not had a personal experience with Lennar, but know several people who have built them them and none of them are happy! I know people that have built with them in Lakeside and Willowcove and all have had issues with quality and customer service. Basically, they promise you the moon and deliver you a cheese ball. Perhaps Lennar is only having issues in Nocatee, or perhaps I just happen to have met the dozen or so people that have had problems with them. All I know is that I have met enough people from two different communities and heard enough stories that I personally would stay far away and if a friend was asking my thoughts, I would also tell them to stay far away! There are a lot of builder's out there - why would I recommend the one that I have heard NOTHING positive about?
02-27-2014, 08:00 AM
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PLEASE someone chime in on Lennar some more! The obvious thought in this thread is to avoid them. I was down there this past week and looked at several homes in Willow Cove. Of course as everyone says here, Lennar has most of the available houses. So what else is the problem with them? I am considering putting an offer in on a house that is Lennar and it is EXPENSIVE so I don't want to get in a house with many problems or that is cheaply built. The only other builder there is David Weekly. UNFORTUNATELY, Lennar has the lot we are looking for and David Weekly doesn't. Is it worth sacrificing lot for the simple reason of avoiding Lennar? The house is already built and YES, I can definitely see the difference in quality between Lennar and DW but please help me to understand more....THANK YOU!!!!!
03-07-2014, 12:47 PM
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Stay away from ICI....As a previous ICI homeowner, we had our worse nightmare in our history of home ownership.
03-08-2014, 08:59 PM
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It is with regret that I am sad to announce that we have just discovered that we have been burned by David Weekley. We are an out of town buyer and I have been a Big Proponent of David Weekley. We are a few weeks away from closing. However, we just became aware that they built a totally different Master Bathroom in our new home. To their credit they have taken responsibility for their mistake. It seems that there was a change to our model (so they say). Prior to construction, they pulled the new, but wrong floor plan and built a terribly laid out Bathroom. Not what we agreed to purchase. No one picked up on this until I did from a photo. We were asked what do we want to do? We have considered several options. A re-do of course will set things back, but they still won't be able to give us the identical layout. They can make alterations to make it look nicer but we will lose a closet. I don't like to lose storage space. Our excitement and anticipation has been tarnished. They have asked us to tell them what we want? We have yet to personally see the home , but from photos & video it looks good. What would you do or ask for?
03-08-2014, 09:33 PM
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It is with regret that I am sad to announce that we have just discovered that we have been burned by David Weekley. We are an out of town buyer and I have been a Big Proponent of David Weekley. We are a few weeks away from closing. However, we just became aware that they built a totally different Master Bathroom in our new home. To their credit they have taken responsibility for their mistake. It seems that there was a change to our model (so they say). Prior to construction, they pulled the new, but wrong floor plan and built a terribly laid out Bathroom. Not what we agreed to purchase. No one picked up on this until I did from a photo. We were asked what do we want to do? We have considered several options. A re-do of course will set things back, but they still won't be able to give us the identical layout. They can make alterations to make it look nicer but we will lose a closet. I don't like to lose storage space. Our excitement and anticipation has been tarnished. They have asked us to tell them what we want? We have yet to personally see the home , but from photos & video it looks good. What would you do or ask for?
How much would it take to make it right? Are there structural changes required?
Anything can be done; it just comes down to time and money. Your time, the builders money.
What do you really want at this point? The layout you signed up for or just some extra finishes? Ask for the moon. If they won't take it down to bare bones and give you what you signed up for, then I would ask for the amount you figure it would cost to do that. Out of curiosity, which model is it?
03-08-2014, 10:40 PM
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I'm not sure if they can replicate the Model Bathroom. It appears that a Door to a walk in closet is throwing the whole thing off. It created a Domino effect in terms of the layout. Linen Closet & Water Closet had to be moved around. No Structural Changes.But the changes they made took away the open effect in the bathroom and made it look Boxy, IMO.The Bathroom is functional and has all the same features we wanted, but its not as open. Its not as appealing. It may have something to do with the sq. footage be slightly different. I'm not sure. What do or did we want. We wanted the Bathroom we saw in the Model. But we might have to get over that now. Shoot for the Moon? How about a Pool? I'd like a Pool. Realistically though, we have a value in what this mistake is worth and we'll be discussing it with them. It is The Orchid Model.
03-08-2014, 10:53 PM
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Ask for a pool. Your quote about having a value in what the mistake is worth needs to be thought of like this---your personal satisfaction is worth more than even a pool. You're dissatisfaction is extremely high and can only be alleviated with something as valuable and although a pool would not quite cut it, you'll take it. I wouldn't hesitate to do that!!!
03-10-2014, 04:25 PM
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apollo77
As I mentioned in a separate thread, I am considering a move to either the Nocatee or Palencia area. I'm greatly appreciating the opinions in the other thread about these two areas, so now I solicit more advice.
Stick with Arthur Rutenberg or David Weekley Homes, and avoid the others as the other posters have said. I'm in the business, and have first hand experience with all the above.
CornerStone isn't bad, but the other two I named are a cut above them.
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People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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