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does everyone here keep track of former bosses/managers for future references? what if they have moved on to other employers? or changed their contact numbers? how are you supposed to keep track of them if they're not on social media either?
i'm applying for a per diem job that requires two managers for references among the required 5 you have to give them. all of my former managers have moved on to other employers in the 5 years i have been working in my current job. i can only cite my current team leader at this point who has the current contact info. all the others, i don't know at this point.
what can i do at this point for that one manager i need for reference?
Why on Earth do employers ask for references? Bad employees will just pick a friend to pretend to be a former boss or maybe use a co-worker they got along with as a reference. Some companies will give bad employees a good reference just so they will leave. On the other hand, good employees can get burned by a mean boss on a power trip who just didn't like the employee. That happens a lot. I don't see the point as it often says more about the person giving the reference than anything. Then there's the problem you are describing, people changing jobs.
If I were an employer, I would simply go over the position with candidates, briefly talk to them about their experience in the field, give them a skills test, and base my decision on that. No untrustworthy references and no canned, irrelevant interview questions.
Why on Earth do employers ask for references? Bad employees will just pick a friend to pretend to be a former boss or maybe use a co-worker they got along with as a reference. Some companies will give bad employees a good reference just so they will leave. On the other hand, good employees can get burned by a mean boss on a power trip who just didn't like the employee. That happens a lot. I don't see the point as it often says more about the person giving the reference than anything. Then there's the problem you are describing, people changing jobs.
If I were an employer, I would simply go over the position with candidates, briefly talk to them about their experience in the field, give them a skills test, and base my decision on that. No untrustworthy references and no canned, irrelevant interview questions.
exactly! and isn't it illegal for former bosses/coworkers to say more than verifying that they have supervised you/worked with you for that specified amount of time? that if they say anything bad to the potential employer costing the applicant the job, those references could be sued?
why can't employers just look at the applicant's skill sets/experience/qualifications at face value? besides, if i were a fresh graduate, i won't have much pertinent reference to give a potential employer anyway. i feel it's just one way of discriminating an applicant from a potential job if the candidate has nothing remarkable of record (that is, no criminal/civil record or questionable morals).
exactly! and isn't it illegal for former bosses/coworkers to say more than verifying that they have supervised you/worked with you for that specified amount of time? that if they say anything bad to the potential employer costing the applicant the job, those references could be sued?
If you find out that a former manager is trashing you and what he's saying is not true, hire an attorney to send him AND human resources a cease and desist letter. There is a law firm that will act as a potential employer, record what the manager is saying, and send you a transcript so you know what he is saying. You can google it to find the name of the law firm. A nicely worded cease and desist letter to HR with a transcript of the manager's vicious lies attached will put a stop to it and may even get the manager fired.
They way I have kept in touch with former employers are through LinkedIn. If they have moved from a different company I contact them. I recently went through this all my former executives were more than happy to give me a reference
I just give the company HR info and the manager's name. They will ask for them if there or work with HR to pull your file.
one company i'm applying for required email addresses of the references to send surveys to.
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