dvar chadash, or the Faith we have in Cheeses (women, believe, Bible)

[brooklynborndad]

I mean isn't it the one of the oddest halacha there is?

The traditional halacha on cheese made with animal rennet, is that the rennet must be from a kosher slaughtered animal, or it renders the cheese traif. But the contact of a the rennet itself with the milk does NOT render the cheese treif, because its a new substance, not meat.

I follow the position of R' Klein (conservative) that rennet is dvar chadash (a new substance), and cheese (almost always) is kosher, and we don't need to worry about the rennet.

My D has chosen to follow her own personal (AFAICT) chumrah, and has decided not to eat any cheese she knows to be made with animal rennet, whether heckshered or not.

Its difficult for me to defend the standard O position (in order to encourage her to be more mkulah) since I am not Orthodox.

The closest parallel I could come up with is eggs - which come from an animal but are pareve. But of course with eggs we assume the chicken was alive when the egg was laid, and so do not care how it may have later been slaughtered (well we may care, but it does not impact the kashrut of the egg)

[usuario]

Umm what about gevinat akum? How would you know whether there was an observant Jewish person involved in the cheese making process?

[macnietspingal]

Mom who was educated in East Bronx until she came to 7th&Pennsylvania Ave S.E., D.C. and decided not to stay in school made me go to Hebrew School although she didn't believe in her own Orthodox Education. Her father was a charter member of the South East Hebrew Congregation. The reason was really "Cheeses". I have a Cheeses Tee to keep the memory alive

I was turning 7 in July. That summer she said "I met Mrs. ??? on 8th Street who was complaining they were teaching the kids Christianity in public school." Mom: "What Christianity?". The woman sang the right words to my favorite song "Cheese and saucebee, this I know. For the Bible tells me so. Yes, Cheese and Saucebee, Yes, Cheese and Saucebee, Yes Chees and Saucebee, For the Bible tells me so." That's how I found out what I should have been correctly singing. I got educated muyself instantly in careful listening myself.

She said "You are going to Hebrew School". When I went she said "Don't bring any of that stuff into the house". So I educated myself in Judeo Culture and Civilization without any parental guidance at all.

In the second grade I listened to a terrifying song in the second grade: Onward Christian Soldiers.
Right on Capitol Hill USA which was legally Anti-Black and Anti-Christian before the Holocaust was found out.

My mom wouldn't even let me show her a Bible until she was 65YO. I had just discovered Sirach 25/26 about how Jews thought of women. I was a major in Latin-American Culture and Civilization and it was DIOS HABLA HOY and the English version GOOD NEWS BIBLE. She said when she started reading the verses "You can get me that Bible" and I did.

[macnietspingal]

Somehow my brain refreshed what I posted and it doesn't make as much sense. The words to my first grade song at Van Ness Elementary School (morning exercises) in S.E. D.C.
Cheese and Saucebee this I know for the Barber tells me so. My Uncle Frank Kirsch was a Barber in Foggy Bottom right around 20th&Pennsylvania Ave N.W. His wife was my mom's oldest sister and practically raised all the children while her mom kept a kosher house. Now you know that I never heard the words "god" or "bible" in my home . Pretty consistent life. I might add that we were on welfare and for people to get a Hebrew education is pretty rare. You have to be economically endowed to get a Hebrew education back then before WW2. Even afterward from what I've heard from others. Now with the DVD's I've mentioned, everyone can be equal. Even Christian can get a Judeo education at home. The power of having a Jewish Nation in the UN. No age limits, no dollar limits any more. Genderless.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by usuario

Umm what about gevinat akum? How would you know whether there was an observant Jewish person involved in the cheese making process?

I follow C, which is lenient on Gevinat Akum. My more machmir D finds no compelling rationale for the traditional rule on Gevinat Akum (I mean they might use non cow milk, on cheese certified by govt to be from cow milk?), and so ignores it.