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Nathan is a 15-year old Jewish boy raised in a secular family. He died for 15 minutes during The Feast of Sukkot 2015 (which was accompanied by the 4th Blood Moon). During that time he was shown the future of Israel and end time visions. His own parents did not raise him to be religious, disapprove of his vision and think he's crazy, so the accusation of "mental suggestion" may be ruled out. An Orthodox Jewish rabbi put his vision to the test of Hebrew Scripture. This is my English summary of and comments on the interview in Hebrew.
His own parents did not raise him to be religious, disapprove of his vision and think he's crazy, so the accusation of "mental suggestion" may be ruled out.
No, that's not how it works. Any knowledge of gods, afterlife, visions, revelations, or eschatology taints the knower.
Very interesting and of course not unparallelled. It gets cast in terms of cultural background and personal feelings. I already noticed the rather un-jewish idea of a heaven full of souls. Christians will love it!
I noted also the rather religious -bonehead view of morals. "Why did you do or say this" is couched in terms of religious good and bad morals and overlooks the scientific truth of instinctive behaviour. In other words this mental construct of an afterlife judgement, with commentary by a Rabbi to make it look rabinically sound, is unfair and cannot possibly represent a judgement by any god that is worthy of respect.
The experience is of interest just as are abduction experiences and we should work to understand them, not just accept them on face value. I am not going to say whether the presentation is intended to inform or to act as polemic for Judaism. If is is, I'll just say that we can't blame the Hassidim for grabbing the chance. But we should think and question, not just swallow the propaganda.
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And it didn't occur to you that you that he was proselytizing???...That was the whole point with the video...
I was certain that's what he was doing, but I was curious about his presentation. But once it is predicated on falsehood, I can't see any value to the rest of it.
I was certain that's what he was doing, but I was curious about his presentation. But once it is predicated on falsehood, I can't see any value to the rest of it.
I tried to watch the video and as soon as he said "the blood moons are a sign to the Jews" I turned it off. Why must people invent things?
Then I tried again, fast forwarding to a random spot and I heard him say "the 'mashiak' is the original name for Christ."
Click.
that is why i posted the two links to Jewish content only, without the addition and overlay and distortion of other religions' commentary and interpretation.
i found there is something of value in hearing what the Jewish boy experienced and reported and had to say, and what Rabbi Levy had to say.
and i am interested to hear observations and response from the Rabbonim.
It is a call for tshuva and gemillut chasadim. since it moves Jews in that direction it is worthwhile. if it acts as a wake up call to any Jew, then we all benefit. I love hearing any and every story of secular or cynical or bitter or ignorant or distant Jews who have a moving personal experience, and it causes them to start doing mitzvot and learning Torah and they drastically change their life. I was in tears watching this boy describe how he has now started wearing tzitzith.
i only consider as valid that which is presented by Jews. it is up to Jews to evaluate and make sense of and determine the validity of what a Jew experiences. for other religions to impose their views is of no interest to me, so I delete that from my world.
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that is why i posted the two links to Jewish content only, without the addition and overlay and distortion of other religions' commentary and interpretation.
i found there is something of value in hearing what the Jewish boy experienced and reported and had to say, and what Rabbi Levy had to say.
and i am interested to hear observations and response from the Rabbonim.
It is a call for tshuva and gemillut chasadim. since it moves Jews in that direction it is worthwhile. if it acts as a wake up call to any Jew, then we all benefit. I love hearing any and every story of secular or cynical or bitter or ignorant or distant Jews who have a moving personal experience, and it causes them to start doing mitzvot and learning Torah and they drastically change their life. I was in tears watching this boy describe how he has now started wearing tzitzith.
i only consider as valid that which is presented by Jews. it is up to Jews to evaluate and make sense of and determine the validity of what a Jew experiences. for other religions to impose their views is of no interest to me, so I delete that from my world.
I watched the first video. I remain unmoved. My sister became a ba'alat tshuva when her grandfather was on his deathbed - the doctors said he had hours to live. She made a bargain with God. She said that if her grandfather lived, she would become religious.
He lived another two years and she is a wonderful ba'alat mitzvot and midot having embraced observance. It's nice but still rather extreme for my tastes. If we rely on what we see as overt miracles to stir our emotional connection then we risk losing that connection when the miracles don't show up. Just my personal take.
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