[aggrofish]

Originally Posted by topaz420

All the casino would have to do is tip the scales in the other direction -- make the player feel in control, and the difficulty just hard enough so that the casino wins

All they have to do is hire Treyarch to handle the lag compensation and hit detection and the casino would always win.

[NLVgal]

Originally Posted by von949

I have been hearing a lot about "Insert Coins". I would like to check it out even if only to check out their retro games.

I took my eldest brat there on his birthday. It's a bit of a dive. I liked it.

They have the retro stuff on one side of the bar and gamer pits for X-Box and such on the other. They definitely had Pac-Man. I think they had Centipede as well, but I don't remember ( They pour the drinks pretty strong in there) Lots of others as well.

[Matt Marcinkiewicz]

Originally Posted by owelles

Yes, they do.

http://edge1.pokerlistings.com/asset...ideo-poker.jpg

That's amazing. You can bet that money was all in play on a 100-200 NL hold'em table or 2000-4000 limit hold'em table by the end of the night (I noted that Huck Seed was the winner)

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by ddrhazy

Young people have no desire to play slots, I'm curious what the casinos' plan is when their player demographic starts shifting.

Uh, have you noticed the high end night clubs around town?

And, for the most part, those 20-something hard-bodies eventually turn into 60-something blue-hairs ladies who will still love Vegas.

[owelles]

Originally Posted by Matt Marcinkiewicz

That's amazing. You can bet that money was all in play on a 100-200 NL hold'em table or 2000-4000 limit hold'em table by the end of the night (I noted that Huck Seed was the winner)

It was a $500 machine, and he was playing the maximum five coins, so $2,500 per spin. Holding two cards to a royal and drawing the other three is pretty amazing by itself; doing it on a $500 machine is beyond amazing.

[ddrhazy]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Uh, have you noticed the high end night clubs around town?

And, for the most part, those 20-something hard-bodies eventually turn into 60-something blue-hairs ladies who will still love Vegas.

Yup, I've noticed the high end night clubs, what of them?

Even when I turn 60, I will not magically become interested in slots. A life of playing loads of artistically designed games makes me expect a lot from my entertainment.

[Subzro]

Originally Posted by Everdeen

You may think this is crazy, but my brother has a dice coach. He teaches him how to throw the dice so that the odds can be tipped back towards the player in craps. My brother swears by this method and he is not what I would call a whimsical fellow. Some the casinos will boot out players using this method when they see it, so there might be something to it.

The reason it's crazy is that the theory collapses like a house of cards when logic is applied. So your brother has a "coach" who has mastered the elusive art of gaining advantage over a casino due to his mastery of controlling dice...and as a result decides not to make himself rich the easy way by fleecing the casino with his incredible skill, but to sell that information at an hourly rate to others?

I have a machine that will tell me next week's winning lottery numbers today. I'll sell the machine to you for $100 dollars. Make sense?

[MSchu]

^exactly... thinking you can influence a random event is pure folly.

The best you can do is to predict with certainty the probability of an event happening. hence, betting patterns that reflect the highest probability of occurrence or a sub set that exploits an advantage based on odds given.

[SoCalCpl2]

Originally Posted by Caltovegas

One thing I have noticed by my short stay in Vegas is betting is for suckers for the most part. I'm not a heavy better by any means. I do maybe a few dollars in the slots and that's about it. My big thing is the breakfast buffets. I do eat my money worth.

The thing that got me was looking at my win/loss statement. I lost more than I won and had no clue. Something else that made me think was as many times as I have walked through some casino's I have yet to see anyone or hear any hit anything big. What's up with that?

Bottomline line is there may be a few wins but it looks like in the lont term the house wins.. So for me it's do the Big progressives as a lotto when passing but bring me to the buffet.. More sausage please...

So you are saying you and everyone else in the universe are suckers??? Cause every time you wake up you are betting you live thru the day.....

[Everdeen]

Originally Posted by Subzro

The reason it's crazy is that the theory collapses like a house of cards when logic is applied. So your brother has a "coach" who has mastered the elusive art of gaining advantage over a casino due to his mastery of controlling dice...and as a result decides not to make himself rich the easy way by fleecing the casino with his incredible skill, but to sell that information at an hourly rate to others?

I have a machine that will tell me next week's winning lottery numbers today. I'll sell the machine to you for $100 dollars. Make sense?

Are you familiar with this technique to any great degree? I know a little bit about it, but not much. My brother plays with a group and the coach as well. I've never been interested enough to really press him for information, but I am pretty sure he wins more than he loses. I'll ask him next time he is here. I know when he first started, he would have some significant losses as well as wins, but now it seems he has, more consistently, some pretty good runs. It's not like winning the lottery - not even close. It is just tipping the odds back in favor of the player and like I said, players that use this technique are being kicked out of some of the casinos so they have to be a bit stealthy.

ETA: After thinking about it, I remember a little more. I think it has to do with setting the dice in a certain position, holding them at a specific height, throwing them at a certain angle, with a certain amount of force, and flicking your wrist just right. It is very, very difficult to master and takes hours and hours of practice. My brother owns a craps table that he practices on. He also has a large bankroll because you have to be able to absorb losses. Like I said, it not easy nor always guaranteed; just a slight tip in the odds.