[LV10101]

Originally Posted by Golfinnova

Again, that is YOUR opinion. That doesn't jive with those that like it here and know better so if you don't want the argument then stop putting up nonsensical posts.

Smdh

It is not opinion when facts prove it. Sorry please keep debating the topic of CCSD and please keep saying it is my opinion. The only nonsensical post are from the ones who fail to realize the truth. The truth is the facts don't lie and CCSD is in very bad shape.
- 700 teachers short to start this school year.
- Nearly 30% drop out rate.

...not sure how just those two FACTS aren't horrific to you are anyone who has a child at CCSD.

[LV10101]

Originally Posted by stevek64

Ding Ding Ding....you just described 100% of any place to live in the US!(though substitute the word desert in most cases). Sounds like your were infatuated by the "honeymoon" phase. Welcome to reality. Anyplace gets "old" and "boring" if one doesn't have any other interests/hobbies in their lives and some friends. It just takes effort/drive to discover and pursue. I've known people from just about anyplace in this country including Hawaii that say the same thing.....nothing to do, it's boring, gotta get out of here, all we have here is....., etc. The grass is often greener in one's mind somewhere else but often it's not true in reality as I've found it's often what is inside of our own mind/attitude that needs adjusting/work, not the environment we live in.

stevek64...absolutely not true. The Strip controls the majority of "fun" activities in Las Vegas and 5 miles (or less) out from there is nothing. That does NOT describe 100% of any place. Most actual cities are much more spread out, have many more neighborhoods with activities and many zoos, aquariums are located outside the city center. We are in the middle of the desert with mostly activities associated with the casinos resorts and not a lot to do outside of them...please if you think there isn't a difference between Las Vegas and a city of similar size you are not seeing clearly.

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by LV10101

It is not opinion when facts prove it. Sorry please keep debating the topic of CCSD and please keep saying it is my opinion. The only nonsensical post are from the ones who fail to realize the truth. The truth is the facts don't lie and CCSD is in very bad shape.
- 700 teachers short to start this school year.
- Nearly 30% drop out rate.

...not sure how just those two FACTS aren't horrific to you are anyone who has a child at CCSD.

It is not in bad shape. It is in its normal position and somewhat better than years past.

Did you not see the message up thread? What it says is simple. The good schools are provided for and the bad schools will again get screwed.

So a simple message. Keep your kids in the upper third or quarter and they will be fine. And do not send your kid to the bottom quarter of the schools.

And note this is exactly the same pattern as in LA or Chicago or NYC.

And none of the stuff we are talking about fixing is going to do a thing for the kids that live in 89012 or 89134.

[Golfinnova]

Originally Posted by LV10101

It is not opinion when facts prove it. Sorry please keep debating the topic of CCSD and please keep saying it is my opinion. The only nonsensical post are from the ones who fail to realize the truth. The truth is the facts don't lie and CCSD is in very bad shape.
- 700 teachers short to start this school year.
- Nearly 30% drop out rate.

...not sure how just those two FACTS aren't horrific to you are anyone who has a child at CCSD.

Because I have shown over and over again that it is happening in cities with similar population as Vegas. That doesn't mean that EVERY student in CCSD is deemed to work into casinos as you and Scoop go all doom and gloom on.

But hey what do I know right, you guys are all morally superior

[Golfinnova]

Originally Posted by LV10101

stevek64...absolutely not true. The Strip controls the majority of "fun" activities in Las Vegas and 5 miles (or less) out from there is nothing. That does NOT describe 100% of any place. Most actual cities are much more spread out, have many more neighborhoods with activities and many zoos, aquariums are located outside the city center. We are in the middle of the desert with mostly activities associated with the casinos resorts and not a lot to do outside of them...please if you think there isn't a difference between Las Vegas and a city of similar size you are not seeing clearly.

Simply not true, Baltimore has everything downtown. The National Aquarium is down at the waterfront within walking distance of Camden Yards, M&T Stadium, everything else is within a short drive.

[ScoopLV]

A true world class city has everything -- industry, commercial, residential, finance, culture, all manner of entertainment, multiple universities, professional sports... and so much more.

Las Vegas: No major professional sports (and the largest city by far with no big pro teams), one big university and a few smaller colleges (none of which are considered world-class except for the School of Hotel Management at UNLV), still lacking in culture (but 20 times better than it was three years ago), no real financial sector -- unless you count casinos, not much in the way of industry, plenty of commercial and residental.

Nobody is saying we don't have things to do. Nobody is saying that we don't have things to do that don't revolve around gambling and tobacco use. But when SO MUCH of our city's entertainment revolves around gambling and tobacco use, it has a deleterious affect on the rest of the city. [That, incidentally is an opinion, Golfinnova. But not an emotional opinion. Everything else is fact. Easily checked by anyone who cares to spend a minute or two on google. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true, or that it's emotional.]

Everything is connected. We can pull on the societal strand of education and it tugs on many other strands on the neighborhood web. When our school system fails, it has profound effect on everything else -- crime, healthcare, our overall economy, commercial development, you name it.

And I am sick to death of hearing how it's bad elsewhere. Going back to my "living in a filthy house with a bunch of stoners" analogy from a few pages up, I do not want to hear the stoners say, "But the neighbors down the street live in a filthy house, too. There are lots of filthy houses on this street." That's not a reason. That's an excuse. And it's a dumb excuse to boot.

I'm tired of hearing that things are bad in St. Louis or Bakersfield or El Paso. I hope those cities get their acts together. But I don't live there. I live in Las Vegas and therefore I'd like to see us address our problems instead of excusing them away. Moving to a half-way decent address to have access to a half-way decent school doesn't fix the school system. If the goal is to completely write off entire sections of the city, fine. But then let's be honest about that.

[LV10101]

Originally Posted by Golfinnova

Simply not true, Baltimore has everything downtown. The National Aquarium is down at the waterfront within walking distance of Camden Yards, M&T Stadium, everything else is within a short drive.

So Baltimore is 100% of every other place? Even Baltimore is much more spread out than Las Vegas with their activities.

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by LV10101

stevek64...absolutely not true. The Strip controls the majority of "fun" activities in Las Vegas and 5 miles (or less) out from there is nothing. That does NOT describe 100% of any place. Most actual cities are much more spread out, have many more neighborhoods with activities and many zoos, aquariums are located outside the city center. We are in the middle of the desert with mostly activities associated with the casinos resorts and not a lot to do outside of them...please if you think there isn't a difference between Las Vegas and a city of similar size you are not seeing clearly.

Go to trip advisor. Ask for museums or aquariums or outdorr activities. Compare any Midwestern or similar eastern city with Las Vegas.

You will be surprised. I just did the city I moved west from...Rochester NY. No contest. qnd Rochester is a pretty neat place.

[Golfinnova]

Originally Posted by LV10101

So Baltimore is 100% of every other place? Even Baltimore is much more spread out than Las Vegas with their activities.

No, it isn't. I came from that area so do your homework and get back to me!

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

A true world class city has everything -- industry, commercial, residential, finance, culture, all manner of entertainment, multiple universities, professional sports... and so much more.

Las Vegas: No major professional sports (and the largest city by far with no big pro teams), one big university and a few smaller colleges (none of which are considered world-class except for the School of Hotel Management at UNLV), still lacking in culture (but 20 times better than it was three years ago), no real financial sector -- unless you count casinos, not much in the way of industry, plenty of commercial and residental.

Nobody is saying we don't have things to do. Nobody is saying that we don't have things to do that don't revolve around gambling and tobacco use. But when SO MUCH of our city's entertainment revolves around gambling and tobacco use, it has a deleterious affect on the rest of the city. [That, incidentally is an opinion, Golfinnova. But not an emotional opinion. Everything else is fact. Easily checked by anyone who cares to spend a minute or two on google. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true, or that it's emotional.]

Everything is connected. We can pull on the societal strand of education and it tugs on many other strands on the neighborhood web. When our school system fails, it has profound effect on everything else -- crime, healthcare, our overall economy, commercial development, you name it.

And I am sick to death of hearing how it's bad elsewhere. Going back to my "living in a filthy house with a bunch of stoners" analogy from a few pages up, I do not want to hear the stoners say, "But the neighbors down the street live in a filthy house, too. There are lots of filthy houses on this street." That's not a reason. That's an excuse. And it's a dumb excuse to boot.

I'm tired of hearing that things are bad in St. Louis or Bakersfield or El Paso. I hope those cities get their acts together. But I don't live there. I live in Las Vegas and therefore I'd like to see us address our problems instead of excusing them away. Moving to a half-way decent address to have access to a half-way decent school doesn't fix the school system. If the goal is to completely write off entire sections of the city, fine. But then let's be honest about that.

The school system is just like the one in the big cities...like LA and Chicago and NYC. It has both adequate and abysmal parts. Those well off deal only with the adequate part.

And the education problem in the big cities is not easily solved. We are not alone. And it does not appear anyone else is doing better. So perhaps the question is how does the US solve its inability to educate in the larger cities. Thaqt also gives the problem the magnitude it deserves. It is not a matter of the tight fisted libertarians out west refusing to spend money.

As to great cities we are simply a distant suburb of Los Angeles. And that is a world class city.