[Bruff]

For what it's worth, McCarran's noise issue is nothing new. This news story goes back to 2005. Too noisy for neighbors - Las Vegas Sun News

"The Aviation Department explained that pilots updating their training often use McCarran's runways at 3 a.m. when fewer flights are arriving to practice touch-and-go takeoffs and landings.
"It's the only time the pilots can train because the airport is so busy"".

"...area residents have long complained that noise from airplanes taking off and landing at McCarran International Airport makes it difficult to hear their televisions or to get a good night's sleep.

"With the number of flights continuing to grow, airport, county and federal officials -- who realize that for other reasons they, too, may not sleep well until the problem is alleviated -- are searching for ways to reduce the complaints about jet noise".

Like maybe move the damn thing...?

You can't make this stuff up.

[Bruff]

[quote=bayview6;43666639]Bruff, the primary flaw in your reasoning is that when a plane crashes, it doesn't matter to the people on the plane where the airport is located.

McCarren seems to me a safe airport. If a plane takes off from McCarren will an engine on fire or disabled, the plane still has enough power to make it out to the Mojave desert.

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In fact, Bayview, it does matter to the people on the plane where it crashes. Just compare the difference between a dry lake bed and a residential or commercial neighborhood with high rises and you'll get my drift. When a plane crashes into a residential neighborhood, it becomes an issue for the residents. When it's allowed to crash into a residential neighborhood because the stupids that run it refused to move it, that's a matter for the criminal courts.

You're right in the sense that, per FAA regs, an aircraft losing an engine on TO must be continue and climb out on the good engine, but try that in 110F heat with pucker factor and your ass on fire.
It's the old one about being up to your ass in alligators and forgetting that you were supposed to be draining the swamp. A lot happens when spit happens. I'm a pilot: I can tell you.

As for McCarran appearing to be a safe airport, it will be exactly that... right up until it isn't. Then the question will be "Why didn't we listen to Bruff?"

[Bruff]

Originally Posted by Bruff

For what it's worth, McCarran's noise issue is nothing new. This news story goes back to 2005. Too noisy for neighbors - Las Vegas Sun News

"The Aviation Department explained that pilots updating their training often use McCarran's runways at 3 a.m. when fewer flights are arriving to practice touch-and-go takeoffs and landings. "It's the only time the pilots can train because the airport is so busy"".

"...area residents have long complained that noise from airplanes taking off and landing at McCarran International Airport makes it difficult to get a good night's sleep.

"With the number of flights continuing to grow, airport, county and federal officials -- who realize that for other reasons they, too, may not sleep well until the problem is alleviated -- are searching for ways to reduce the complaints about jet noise".

Here's one way to reduce the complaints: move the damn thing!

McCarran actually has a hotline for noise complaints: 702.261.3694

[Raiderman]

^ When you don't have anyone to talk to anymore and start replying to yourself...

[Bruff]

Originally Posted by Raiderman

^ When you don't have anyone to talk to anymore and start replying to yourself...

Indeed. It would be even better if those upset over my giving a damn about making this town a better, more productive and safer place, started to 'get it'. Hint.

[jjameson922]

Originally Posted by Bruff

McCarran will begin the move to Jean on the afternoon of the morning after the night before. That, or someone does a SWOT analysis and realizes how much we have to gain from being proactive - and how much we have to lose if we don't.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "SWOT analysis"?

[mikeawesome]

Originally Posted by Bruff

Sightly off topic, but let's go there...
If you think a light rail line is 'best thing for McCarran', first question: Have you ever used light rail? If you have, you'd know how silly that sounds. Especially using it as an airport connector.
If you have not - and forgetting about the 5 years it will take to get built, not to mention the total disruption in the process - http://www.kiewit.com/files/cache/ac...b2f1_f1377.jpg why not take an imaginary trip with your spouse and kids from McCarran to downtown. You're already wasted from getting to McCarran, so start with dragging y'all and your bags to the light rail stop. Buy your tickets and enjoy 15 minutes in 110F heat waiting for the next train. Load yourselves and stuff on board, lift bags up and onto rack, hang onto strap for 3/4 of your ride. After 24 stops (that's how many), you've arrived 'downtown', but since your hotel is still 2 blocks thataway, get yourselves going and plod to the hotel. Watch for the lights: pedestrians here are fair game. 47 minutes after your started, you stumble into the hotel.
Did you enjoy your two trips? (first and last).
Or...
You could take Uber. Probably for not much more than the ripoff fare they'll charge you to use their light rail (at 6 bucks a ride). Welcome to Vegas, Pilgrim.

Your response is like those infomercials that tries to sell a time saving product but you just end up wasting your money not using it after the first try.

[WVREDLEG]

Originally Posted by jjameson922

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "SWOT analysis"?

Strengths
Weaknesses
Opportunities
Threats


Often depicted in a quad chart so everyone can see everything at once. A planning tool.

[Bruff]

Originally Posted by jjameson922

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "SWOT analysis"?

As Redleg pointed out, a SWOT is a planning tool used to assess strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats of a project or business venture. It involves identifying the various factors that are favorable and unfavorable to achieve that objective.
Strengths: characteristics that give it an advantage over others
Weaknesses: characteristics that place the project at a disadvantage relative to others
Opportunities: elements that the project could exploit to its advantage
Threats: elements in the environment that could cause trouble

Often the categories are given weights as was the case with the recently announced Transportation Business Investment Plan on re-thinking of the Strip/downtown mobility. http://www.rtcsnv.com/govegas/about.php
Strangely, the idea of relocating McCarran is not mentioned. Which makes it a multi-million dollar flawed document.
Similarly with Ivanpah, McCarran's decision-makers never applied a SWOT to the over-all thinking, their goal always being to continue using McCarran with Ivanpah as an overflow.

I believe that a SWOT on moving McCarran would show every factor for following Denver's example with Stapleton.

For more on SWOTs, try Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis

[MARIE_B]

Originally Posted by Bruff

For what it's worth, McCarran's noise issue is nothing new. This news story goes back to 2005. Too noisy for neighbors - Las Vegas Sun News

"The Aviation Department explained that pilots updating their training often use McCarran's runways at 3 a.m. when fewer flights are arriving to practice touch-and-go takeoffs and landings.
"It's the only time the pilots can train because the airport is so busy"".

"...area residents have long complained that noise from airplanes taking off and landing at McCarran International Airport makes it difficult to hear their televisions or to get a good night's sleep.

"With the number of flights continuing to grow, airport, county and federal officials -- who realize that for other reasons they, too, may not sleep well until the problem is alleviated -- are searching for ways to reduce the complaints about jet noise".

Like maybe move the damn thing...?

You can't make this stuff up.

The noise today of takeoff's/landings is driving me crazy, Every 30 seconds the f'ing things are overhead.
Yes move the damn thing sometime before I die.