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Old 08-13-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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I've had a few friends that were naturalised in Canada, UK, Ireland but never known any in the US. They all came from 'third world' (archaic term now known as developing) countries that are pretty damn corrupt so I wondered that with enough money could they 'scrub' their criminal records or would these agencies find them?

Focusing on the US Citizenship service, what exactly is the whole process when someone applies? I would have assumed that the egotistical pride that some Americans have about their country and work would be highly apparent in their citizenship process. Checking every detail to see if people are eligible moreso than many other countries. There's even a question I believe that asks Have you ever committed a crime or offense for which you were not arrested?. If someone lies, can they find out?
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Old 08-13-2017, 08:28 PM
 
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Someone who is applying for U.S. citizenship has already had a green card for at least three years, and in most instances five years. Minimum. And likely had another status before that. So they've been through the clearance process a few times.

At the green card stage, there are FBI and CIA checks run, and the person must obtain police clearances from pretty much every place they've lived as adults. Rinse and repeat for the citizenship process.
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Old 08-14-2017, 02:06 AM
 
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Someone who is applying for U.S. citizenship has already had a green card for at least three years, and in most instances five years. Minimum. And likely had another status before that. So they've been through the clearance process a few times.

At the green card stage, there are FBI and CIA checks run, and the person must obtain police clearances from pretty much every place they've lived as adults. Rinse and repeat for the citizenship process.
In terms of crimes that were committed but never recorded through a charge or arrest, how serious would they have to be for USCIS to consider revoking someone's citizenship if found out at a later date?
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Old 08-14-2017, 08:33 AM
 
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In terms of crimes that were committed but never recorded through a charge or arrest, how serious would they have to be for USCIS to consider revoking someone's citizenship if found out at a later date?
Are you concerned for yourself or are you trying to trip someone?
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:09 AM
 
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Are you concerned for yourself or are you trying to trip someone?
No, I'm just wondering...

I always imagined a scenario if Bill Cosby was born in England and moved to the US to start his acting career then started molesting women before being naturalised as an American citizen. If these allegations were to come to light now, would his citizenship be gone?

What about if he molested the women years after he was naturalised? Can citizens be denaturalised if they didn't obtain citizenship by fraud?
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Old 08-14-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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No, I'm just wondering...

I always imagined a scenario if Bill Cosby was born in England and moved to the US to start his acting career then started molesting women before being naturalised as an American citizen. If these allegations were to come to light now, would his citizenship be gone?

What about if he molested the women years after he was naturalised? Can citizens be denaturalised if they didn't obtain citizenship by fraud?
That is up to the judge.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:14 PM
 
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No, I'm just wondering...

I always imagined a scenario if Bill Cosby was born in England and moved to the US to start his acting career then started molesting women before being naturalised as an American citizen. If these allegations were to come to light now, would his citizenship be gone?

What about if he molested the women years after he was naturalised? Can citizens be denaturalised if they didn't obtain citizenship by fraud?
Unlikely
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Old 08-14-2017, 10:17 PM
 
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If Bill Cosby was in the US on a green card he'd think twice before molesting anyone if he wanted to become a citizen. I know this sounds like a tasteless joke but it was your example. We always knew we wanted to be on the path to citizenship, so we make sure to be on top behavior for 5 years minimum. Most people are the same as no one wants any unnecessary problems with USCIS.
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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In terms of crimes that were committed but never recorded through a charge or arrest, how serious would they have to be for USCIS to consider revoking someone's citizenship if found out at a later date?
The key is if they didn't disclose the crime at the time they applied for citizenship. If it was something that could have prevented them from getting citizenship, it is possible for the government to pursue de-naturalization. So what kind of crime would that be? Let's just say the law is still evolving on that point.
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Old 08-18-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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Most countries have the same 'innocent until proven guilty' process as we do. If you were never arrested or charged for your crime, USCIS doesn't have any way to know about it. They don't send investigators to ask the local gossips if there's any juice on you. If it's not on the national police system records, it didn't happen as far as they're concerned. If you were arrested, charged and found not guilty at trial, it will probably be noted by USCIS and they will ask you about it at interview. If you didn't disclose it on the application, they will count it against you even though you were found not guilty.
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