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I am well aware of that. It seemed that he was suggesting I move to Sea Cliff. My point is that not all of us can afford to live in places like Sea Cliff. I do not see commuting from Ronkonkoma to NYC as an acceptable quality of life, and it is something that I will do whatever it takes to avoid, unless I have absolutely no choice.
While the more expensive communities in western Nassau County get lots of play on this board to the point that those not familiar with Nassau think "that's all there is and I cannot afford it," there still are some areas that are as affordable to the middle class as Ronkonkoma and have a reasonable commuting time to Manhattan.
I agree with you that commuting from Ronkonkoma takes too long, yet many people actually do it. They probably got roped into buying a house out in Suffolk and thought they could "handle" it. If they actually tried the commuting out beforehand for a couple of months, I wonder if they would pull the trigger and buy out there. I strategically placed myself on the border of Queens because I knew I wanted to work in Manhattan, not on Long Island, so I can understand people in Suffolk being leery of working in Manhattan because of the commute as I myself would not put up with it either. However, working in Manhattan can be a lot better than working on LI: higher wages, better atmosphere, much more professional offices and people, upscale as opposed to downscale, dowdy LI. I get depressed if I have a day off and visit a friend or relative at their office on LI. Yuck.
While the more expensive communities in western Nassau County get lots of play on this board to the point that those not familiar with Nassau think "that's all there is and I cannot afford it," there still are some areas that are as affordable to the middle class as Ronkonkoma and have a reasonable commuting time to Manhattan.
What areas are you recommending? Are the school districts any good?
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I agree with you that commuting from Ronkonkoma takes too long, yet many people actually do it. They probably got roped into buying a house out in Suffolk and thought they could "handle" it. If they actually tried the commuting out beforehand for a couple of months, I wonder if they would pull the trigger and buy out there. I strategically placed myself on the border of Queens because I knew I wanted to work in Manhattan, not on Long Island, so I can understand people in Suffolk being leery of working in Manhattan because of the commute as I myself would not put up with it either. However, working in Manhattan can be a lot better than working on LI: higher wages, better atmosphere, much more professional offices and people, upscale as opposed to downscale, dowdy LI. I get depressed if I have a day off and visit a friend or relative at their office on LI. Yuck.
But working in NYC also means longer hours, worse benefits, and a more cuthroat atmosphere. What do you mean by "better atmosphere" and "more professional offices and people"?
But working in NYC also means longer hours, worse benefits, and a more cuthroat atmosphere. What do you mean by "better atmosphere" and "more professional offices and people"?
What ILLI means is harder work + more competitiveness = higher pay.
What ILLI means is harder work + more competitiveness = higher pay.
Plus I don't know where in the world he gets the idea that the "benefits are worse" in Manhattan.
I find the benefits offered in Manhattan to be superior in every way.
On LI, you see cheapo benefits that don't cover much if you actually get sick, schlock companies that make someone pay the total cost of bennies for their dependents OR outright refuse to cover dependents (I know someone right now who used to be covered under her husband's LI employer and the employer made a new policy and outright dropped all employee dependents) OR even advertise that there are no benefits with the position and the employee has to either pay full cost (I know someone working in a LI office doing this) or people should not apply for the job "unless they are covered under another benefit plan."
Those types of policies, which I personally have only heard of on LI, not Manhattan, are "better?"
As for his idea that Manhattan has longer hours. Please. The only firms in Manhattan that do longer hours (40 hour basic workweek) are accounting firms and they pay more because of it. Almost all other firms in Manhattan the basic workweek is 35 hours. In contrast on LI, you will find lots of employers wanting 37-1/2 to 40 hour minimum workweeks.
That's nothing. Go see the wack answers and comments I am getting on "LIRR fare hike in effect for April 2013?" LOL!
Thats because of your wack remarks. If you want to have an intelligent discussion then lets have one. If you want to go off tearing a profession or 2 thats not a debate, its a rant.
What ILLI means is harder work + more competitiveness = higher pay.
Your base salary might be higher in Manhattan, but from what I've seen from my peers that work in Manhattan, their benefits are worse (so their total compensation isn't as great as it seems), and their working hours are longer (so they effectively make less per hour). Even if you are someone who enjoys working long hours (I don't), there are still hidden costs of working longer hours. You may have to hire people to do chores you would have done yourself. You may have to pay someone to mow your lawn, which you may have been willing to do yourself. You don't have time to shop around and look for bargains. I'm sure there are others. And I'm not even talking about the time and money cost of the commute.
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