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Old 08-12-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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This is, by far, the best answer. I have heard horror stories of cleanups costing $50K+. The sellers should abandon the tank and assume any liability.
Ridiculous. They are still using it. I would laugh and laugh if a buyer attempted to get me to do this while I was still using the tank.

There's no liability - the law requires a simple abandonment. Buyer can do that when he moves in which is what he said his plan is.

Horror stories, please. I've never heard of anyone removing the tank and doing a cleanup, why would you? That would be exceptionally foolish.
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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I'm waiting for a return call from Windmill. But what I'm getting here is buy the house and have the tank abandoned asap without soil test.
Yes. ASAP. You never know when they might change the law to require a soil test. Don't let this become one of those things that you put off for years and then it's too late.

My ILs just abandoned their tank and moved the new one inside. The old one was so old that sludge, probably pieces of the interior of the tank, were getting stirred up and blocking the lines when they got a delivery. We had the same problem before we converted. A new tank will be fiberglass if you go that route - not sure if you're converting to gas or what.
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Old 08-12-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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I'm waiting to hear from national grid if gas is available in my area. And my ho insurance said oil tank location well have no effect on my policy (all state).
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Old 08-12-2013, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I'm waiting to hear from national grid if gas is available in my area. And my ho insurance said oil tank location well have no effect on my policy (all state).
Sent you a DM re National Grid
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:47 AM
 
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Ridiculous. They are still using it. I would laugh and laugh if a buyer attempted to get me to do this while I was still using the tank.

There's no liability - the law requires a simple abandonment. Buyer can do that when he moves in which is what he said his plan is.

Horror stories, please. I've never heard of anyone removing the tank and doing a cleanup, why would you? That would be exceptionally foolish.
Yes, one day I was still using my tank without a problem and the next day we discovered water in the oil. The top of the buried tank had disintegrated and, fortunately, no oil had leaked into the soil.

You have to be out of your mind to buy a home with a buried oil tank. People lie about the age of the tank, the real estate agents don't want to discuss it and no buyer knows what's under the ground. We looked at one home where the buried tank -- probably about 40 years old at the time -- was only a few feet away from the well supplying drinking water. We told the owner (a real estate agent) that we wouldn't buy the home unless the tank was abandoned. While we parted company for other reasons, we later went back to the house and saw that she had done exactly that. In between, I had spoken to an environmental engineer who said the DEC in New York can make you pay tens of thousands of dollars in cleanup costs if they find soil contamination. There is huge potential liability and the state is not forgiving about it. You will also pay for soil removal on your neighbors' properties if the contamination goes that far.

You not only would be laughing at my request to abandon your tank. You would also be waving goodbye because I would be moving on to the next house.
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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You have to do what is right for you and your family, but to echo what others have said a house with an in-ground oil tank that hasn't been properly and certifiably abandoned would be a deal-breaker for me. I would consult your attorney.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:50 AM
 
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The tank is still in use. If no soil test is required then even if it was leaking no one would know. I don't see the issue if I'm going to abandon it asap anyway. And the homeowners insurance doesn't have a problem with the tank either. No well, it's in east meadow.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:07 PM
 
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The tank is still in use. If no soil test is required then even if it was leaking no one would know. I don't see the issue if I'm going to abandon it asap anyway. And the homeowners insurance doesn't have a problem with the tank either. No well, it's in east meadow.
Just because a tank is in use doesn't mean it's not leaking. A lot of Long Island homes still have the old single-wall tanks that are way past their useful lives. If the abandonment is done properly, they will check for soil contamination. If there is soil contamination, the DEC will make you pay for the cleanup. It's as simple as that. If you want to let the seller off the hook, even for just the basic expense of abandonment, that's your choice. Everyone has a different view on this.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:12 PM
 
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how common is in ground oil tank in LI? I thought it was very common.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:15 PM
 
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Just because a tank is in use doesn't mean it's not leaking. A lot of Long Island homes still have the old single-wall tanks that are way past their useful lives. If the abandonment is done properly, they will check for soil contamination. If there is soil contamination, the DEC will make you pay for the cleanup. It's as simple as that. If you want to let the seller off the hook, even for just the basic expense of abandonment, that's your choice. Everyone has a different view on this.
If a soil test is not required by law then why would I choose a company that does soil testing when abandoning a tank? Is a soil test required by law when abandoning a tank? The seller will take the next offer if I require them to abandon the tank, that's not something I want to do, assuming a soil test will not be done.
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