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Very interesting. Tenure was just eliminated in California with a court ruling (of course they are appealing) the teacher's union is very strong there as well. Wonder if this could happen here eventually.
They have tried this in NC, and even without a union it's becoming a huge battle. A law was passed last year giving teachers options for taking tenure, a raise, a long-term contract, etc etc - that law has been deemed unconstitutional in at least one county.
The upheaval with the education system in every area of the country is truly annoying. There is no perfect situation. I was reading the thread about class sizes in Hauppauge and all I could think was "are you kidding me"? My kids have had smaller classes here in NC!
Tenure in of itself is not necessarily a bad thing; it isn't intended to prevent a teacher from being fired. It is supposed to keep teachers from being fired without just cause. This is due to evaluations being highly subjective(i.e. if your kid does poorly in class, its the teacher's fault) and political. I would imagine a better and less antagonistic way to deal with bad teachers is to reform the review process with the unions to allow teachers to be fired for incompetence.
If a disctrict wants a teacher out, they will get that teacher out. I know where my wife works teachers have been let go that had tenure. Not sure how they did it, but they did.
Tenure in of itself is not necessarily a bad thing; it isn't intended to prevent a teacher from being fired. It is supposed to keep teachers from being fired without just cause. This is due to evaluations being highly subjective(i.e. if your kid does poorly in class, its the teacher's fault) and political. I would imagine a better and less antagonistic way to deal with bad teachers is to reform the review process with the unions to allow teachers to be fired for incompetence.
Tenure is, necessarily, a bad thing. By definition, due process is costly (involves lawyers) and creates an environment enabling bad teachers to cling to their jobs. There is no theoretical justification for it. It is simply a benefit negotiated by a union to keep their members from being fired.
That's easy - 9th and 10th grade geometry and trig teachers that can't pass the Regents, English teachers using incorrect grammar and have never heard of Strunk and White.
I am sure we can all agree they are "bad teachers" and should not be teaching.
When my kid flunks out of math it IS the teachers fault to a degree. Their job is to educate my child. When a garbage man fails to empty your can when it is out at the curb who's fault is that? Yours? No.
Now, putting aside any disabilities and if the kid is cutting class or stuff like that, it is the teachers responsibility to to educate the child. These shady crafty bastards gradually tried to Jedi Mind Trick the parents into absorbing more than half the burden of education. When a kid is doing poorly in school they push the blame towards the parents and people have been brainwashed and conditioned to agree with this over the last few decades. Total BS. If that's the case what am I paying for? A $10 or 15k a year babysitter?
The whole system has become a joke and an insult to the history of the educational system. It's become a cash grab situation. It's no longer about a life long passion to make a difference and educate and whatever, it's about money.
Bottom line.
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