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John, Herricks SD is over 55% Asian now. Very safe area to live in. Real estate isn't reserved for anyone. Sociological factors come into play. I'm not going to move my family into Roosevelt just to balance out towns so you can have a better shot with public transportation. You're talking all the time about what's bringing your neighborhood down. Do you really think rich, white folks are to blame for that?
If you lived around some of these kids then yes, a lot of them do cause a lot of trouble and bring down quality of life.
Most of these kids think that they can do WHATEVER they want just b/c they're rich and white; so they act wild and crazy like they're above the law. Many of these people have parents/close relatives/family friends that are good lawyers so they can get out of serious trouble extremely easily. Much of the kids on these heavy drugs nowadays are rich and white also.
Upper middle class kids tend to be excellent, but rich kids are a whole nother story.
The vast majority of Hispanics in the US and Latin America are Mestizo, so of course the term "Hispanic" will be associated with Mestizos primarily. And there's nothing wrong with being Mestizo.
Of course there isn't. When white Hispanics (such as myself) constantly get questioned or doubted, that is an issue brought about by people stereotyping Hispanics.
Politicians are to blame for depressed communities.
Look at all the new arrivals of "unaccompanied" children, where are they being dumped? Into communities like Hempstead already overwhelmed by the influx!
Just tossing this out there: Where is housing less expensive? Where can the TAXPAYERS get the most bang for their buck when shelling out their hard-earned money to pay for assistance, housing, and other welfare programs for those on the dole?
If you lived around some of these kids then yes, a lot of them do cause a lot of trouble and bring down quality of life.
Most of these kids think that they can do WHATEVER they want just b/c they're rich and white; so they act wild and crazy like they're above the law. Many of these people have parents/close relatives/family friends that are good lawyers so they can get out of serious trouble extremely easily. Much of the kids on these heavy drugs nowadays are rich and white also.
Upper middle class kids tend to be excellent, but rich kids are a whole nother story.
That's not what I'm referring to regarding John's Westbury issues. His issues are illegal aliens and housing issues.
Of course there isn't. When white Hispanics (such as myself) constantly get questioned or doubted, that is an issue brought about by people stereotyping Hispanics.
I haven't seen that at all to be honest...a different problem exists however, where all people with a Spanish last name are referred to as being of the same race.
Of course there isn't. When white Hispanics (such as myself) constantly get questioned or doubted, that is an issue brought about by people stereotyping Hispanics.
As a fellow white Hispanic I haven't a clue what you're talking about. I find that these things have more to do with your behavior than your surname.
So what you're saying is that if someone works hard to better themselves and their living conditions (in this case a nice home in a safe, community) that they should live adjacent to those who (for whatever reason) don't have the means to live in the same area? What would be the incentive for working hard if an individual will have nothing to show for it?
People toss out the word segregation, applying it to white people, yet they have no issue with other minority groups seeking to self-segregate. Why is that?
Why is it that the communities that aren't 'white and rich' are unsafe? You do realize that almost 78% of the people in the US are white, don't you? Most communities will have a higher number of white people for that reason alone.
Look at poverty rates when you want to discuss safe vs. unsafe communities. That is where the issue lies. Many minority politicians have risen from poverty to higher office and rank. Look at the doctors, lawyers, teachers, who have risen from the projects or poor, rural areas. What made them different? They had access to the same policies that inner city and poor children across the US have today. They chose to take full advantage of the opportunity to achieve success. Do you think that they would want to return to the unsafe communities they grew up in? No! Once a certain level of education and success is achieved, green is the only color that matters when buying a home.
What is preventing the poor communities from being safe? Generational welfare, broken homes, not placing value on education, the desire for a quick buck, bad role models, hatred for 'the man' -- just a few of the things holding the people in these communities back. Should they be rewarded with a home in the suburbs? What do you think would happen?
The area you cited in Hicksville, near the LIRR wasn't always like that. When I worked on West John Street 30+ years ago, the houses were small, yards tidy, but you could sense that this was the poor part of town. Today you describe it as a dumping ground for 'bums and vagrants'. How much of that was brought about by absentee landlords? And if these landlords accepted people on programs, why can't either the landlord or the people on the program keep their yards clean? Doesn't take much.
Why are those 'bums and vagrants' there? Accessibility to transportation, facilities for their medical needs? Wasn't one of your parameters 'more opportunities and transportation'?
Look, I deserve to live in a waterfront home in Lloyd Harbor with a spectacular view of the Sound and CT even though I didn't EARN it.
Seriously, John, I know you've had problems in Westbury and I do feel for you and wish that you could get housing in a better place, however, I think you're looking at the topic from a very self-centered point of view, without looking into the completely socialistic society you would impose on the rest of us.
Its wrong to assume minorities prefer to live in places like Hempstead and Roosevelt. I know more than a few folks who happen to be black that live in those neighborhoods and are MISERABLE living there and want to move out. Guess what, they've tried looking in nicer neighborhoods like Bellmore, looked at apts and never get their phone calls returned. Why is that?
Yes poverty plays a HUGE role in the quality of life in neighborhoods. The problem is when you put all the poor people in one neighborhood (instead of scattering them throughout other towns) you set up a ghetto situation. Among the poor will be the thugs, the illegals, the ex-cons, sex offenders, etc. The community becomes a dumping ground, just look at what has happened to Mastic Beach, which from what I've seen, seems to have more crime than even Nassau's tougher neighborhoods.
This is not so much about me as it is about other folks in much worse areas trying to improve their situation. These people I know get up early and get on the bus everyday for work and deserve much better. Yet they are kept out of nicer neighborhoods because of their skin color.
There are those that are able to rise up and leave the ghetto, because they have the inner strength and determination to find a way out. They have my utmost respect and admiration.
But it doesn't wash away the problems with segregation on Long Island and in Nassau in particular.
My solution isn't "affirmative housing" it is improving the neighborhoods suffering with the problems of crime and illegal immigration. Some places, like Westbury are really putting in a hard effort to clean up the problems and I think it may be starting to pay off, we have 3 new places either open or opening soon on Post Ave. Westbury can be one of those towns younger folks want to move to, it can be for "all seasons". Remove the illegal housing and you have removed many of the illegals and thugs that live there. Improve transportation and you will make the town more appealing to everyone.
I hear your point about Hicksville, it's not so much that it is a major LIRR station it is the LAST STOP on quite a few trains. From what I've read, shelters in NYC often give these people train tickets to the last stop on the line. Hicksville, Huntington Station, Port Jefferson,etc all have the same problems with vagrancy. Even Babylon, again, because it is the last stop.
Basically NYC dumps its problems here instead of solving them.
The solution is having NYC take responsibility for its own. Tougher enforcement as well. All the police can do is "ask" these people to leave the train station. Many are drug addicts and get kicked out of programs or refuse to enter them because of it. Again, if the same individuals were hanging around the Great Neck train station you better believe the cops would do something, but not in Hicksville? Again there is uneven enforcement of laws. The police seem more interested in patrolling the more well to do areas versus the areas with problems that NEED them. I always see tons of NCPD in Great Neck and in the South Shore riviera, yet all NCPD can do for the Village of Westbury is provide ONE patrol car for the
entire village?
Why should only the better off neighborhoods have good enforcement of the laws?
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