Massachusetts once again most violent state in the Northeast. (Boston: compensation, floors)

[massnative71]

^This type of comment is an example of why the rest of the country often resents us and why I have to apologize for being from Massachusetts. Luckily, not all of us subscribe to this type of elitism, reverse racism, and s@#$-don't-stink attitude that plagues a loud minority of our once great state. But amazing thing is; even those uneducated, angry white men in "flyover country" can grasp a concept so simple as the unimportance of the means used to kill another human being vs. the fact that a life was needlessly taken; better than a holier-than-though know-it-all hiding behind their degree or whatever "credentials" they claim to have.

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Massachusetts is middle of the pack for violent crime. More or less tied with New York. It has lowest in the country gun homicide rate. The data is irrefutable. You're seeing poorly educated angry white man rhetoric. That might work in flyover country but it doesn't work in a prosperous, educated place like metro Boston.

I would have expected Massachusetts to be towards the top of the pack in both. That's it's not is actually somewhat surprising. I'd like to understand why, although it seems like most people are interested in pushing conflicting narratives.

Originally Posted by massnative71

^This type of comment is an example of why the rest of the country often resents us and why I have to apologize for being from Massachusetts. Luckily, not all of us subscribe to this type of elitism, reverse racism, and s@#$-don't-stink attitude that plagues a loud minority of our once great state. But amazing thing is; even those uneducated, angry white men in "flyover country" can grasp a concept so simple as the unimportance of the means used to kill another human being vs. the fact that a life was needlessly taken; better than a holier-than-though know-it-all hiding behind their degree or whatever "credentials" they claim to have.

This captures half of the truth. No, it doesn't matter the means by which a life is taken. So comparing gun homicide rates isn't nearly as important as capturing total homicide rates. What that fails to notice is that total homicide rates tend to be lower in places that have lower gun homicides.

The reason is probably pretty simple and something people across the gun control spectrum can probably agree on: guns are good at killing things. If someone wants to kill, they'll likely be more successful with a gun than with something else. Just ask a bow hunter. Or compare the victims of mass stabbings to mass shootings. The real difference isn't in homicides, though, but in suicides. Guns are extremely effective for suicide; someone will typically attempt suicide with poison or a knife and commit suicide with a gun.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by massnative71

^This type of comment is an example of why the rest of the country often resents us and why I have to apologize for being from Massachusetts. Luckily, not all of us subscribe to this type of elitism, reverse racism, and s@#$-don't-stink attitude that plagues a loud minority of our once great state. But amazing thing is; even those uneducated, angry white men in "flyover country" can grasp a concept so simple as the unimportance of the means used to kill another human being vs. the fact that a life was needlessly taken; better than a holier-than-though know-it-all hiding behind their degree or whatever "credentials" they claim to have.

So it's my fault that this thread demonstrates a total failure in critical thought? If I made your kind of argument at work refuting all facts, I'd expect to get fired. I'm proud to live in the Northeast where people largely have capabilities for critical thought.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Maybe CT has "scummier" but MA has more in total "scummy" cities. This of course isn't drawing a conclusion of cause and effect, but it highlights a REAL problem that needs to be addressed. Many are in denial, and others scapegoat the wrong individuals.

Exactly Mass has more rough cities in general but the CT cities are tougher in general.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Providence is definitely not as violent as Boston. Poorer yes, but more violent no, maybe once every few years it may have a worse crime rate. But street gang crime is not a big thing in RI.

CTs crime is really contained in a few terrible cities.

NJ is very heavily policed and has pretty high incomes and oppurtunity in its urban areas (not its worst part of its worst cities).

Mass cities are so isolated and economically irrelevant, add to that easy acess to illegal firearms from Northern NE, a gangster culture in many cities, light policing, and the civic exclusion of minority populations and it’s not that much of a surprise.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

So it's my fault that this thread demonstrates a total failure in critical thought? If I made your kind of argument at work refuting all facts, I'd expect to get fired. I'm proud to live in the Northeast where people largely have capabilities for critical thought.

It's your fault that you lack the reading comprehension to discern that encouraging critical thought is the entire purpose of this thread (some have offered theirs, with your irrelevant data you have so far failed if that's what you were trying to do). The facts are right in front of you. I'm not making them up, the FBI isn't making them up. You constantly preach about your superior critical thinking abilities, but in reality do so only when it suits your own agenda.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by tysmith95

Alaska has one of the highest violent crime rates in the nation, and it's also the least dense state.

Again with this issue there are many more factors then just gun laws. I'd say there are also some differences in reporting.

I think what you want to look at it is weighted density. Alaska's population is heavily concentrated within its urban areas. There are few sprawling farm / rural estates in Alaska, because well, the **** are you going to farm up there?

Massachusetts has high overall density and weighted density.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by massnative71

It's your fault that you lack the reading comprehension to discern that encouraging critical thought is the entire purpose of this thread (some have offered theirs, with your irrelevant data you have so far failed if that's what you were trying to do). The facts are right in front of you. I'm not making them up, the FBI isn't making them up. You constantly preach about your superior critical thinking abilities, but in reality do so only when it suits your own agenda.

I don't see where you've demonstrated a particularly notable bit of critical thought though I've seen some thoughtful criticism of your posts so far.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Well it that "Almost no one" (if that's what you call 1.3 million) is more than our own state and twice the size of the city of Boston, so...



How is CT more restrictive than MA?





Yet it's only the 2nd most dense state in the country, and much of its population resides in Providence and the surrounding urban communities. A true city state. Denser and higher poverty than MA, it should easily have a higher violent crime rate.

Small size of RI is not conducive to big business illicit activity. Street gang culture is not prevalent there. Massachusetts has more means of connections and beefs and is denser at its densest. Probably more areas of generational poverty and it’s pathologies. More isolated urban areas like Fitchburg Pittsfield Springfield Worcester. They become intense concentrations of crime in a sea of homogeneous suburbs. But even still Mass has secondary and tertiary cities like Haverhill Methuen Brockton Revere Taunton Hyannis Barnstable Framingham Lynn Taunton. They all have significant poverty and social problems and corresponsding eleveated crime rates. These places dont the entire state. Very blue collar, insular, angry, suspicious, stagnant vibe in many downtown/older neighborhoods.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Small size of RI is not conducive to big business illicit activity. Street gang culture is not prevalent there.

This is hilarious. Have you ever been to RI? Are you just repeating what your facebook friends told you?