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Old 12-13-2021, 08:16 AM
 
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Lol.
Then say what she is to you. I have no idea.
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Old 12-13-2021, 08:24 AM
 
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Then say what she is to you. I have no idea.

I was more laughing at both parts of your statement. I certainly never considered Patrick a moderate, but whatever he was Healey is to the left of him. Probably too far left for Massachusetts even. Her vs. Diehl might be a competitive race.
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Old 12-13-2021, 08:53 AM
 
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I was more laughing at both parts of your statement. I certainly never considered Patrick a moderate, but whatever he was Healey is to the left of him. Probably too far left for Massachusetts even. Her vs. Diehl might be a competitive race.
A guy raised in the corporate world is a leftie nowadays? Patrick worked For Texaco, Chevron, Coca-Cola...and is the equivalent of who..Bernie?
Who is a moderate dem to you then? I am talking about today, not someone active 20-30 years ago.
And to be clear, by moderate I mean someone that stand toward the center of their own party, not someone that stands to the far right of the party. Not a moderate nation-wide, since those people are extremely unlikely to win a primary. So Baker may be a moderate overall but is definitely on the (far?) left of the GOP.
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Old 12-13-2021, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Woburn, MA / W. Hartford, CT
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A guy raised in the corporate world is a leftie nowadays? Patrick worked For Texaco, Chevron, Coca-Cola...and is the equivalent of who..Bernie?
Who is a moderate dem to you then? I am talking about today, not someone active 20-30 years ago.
Jack Kemp (RIP) would look like a moderate Dem to today's GOP.
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Old 12-13-2021, 09:03 AM
 
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Jack Kemp (RIP) would look like a moderate Dem to today's GOP.
A black republican is probably a moderate dem to a chunk of GOP voters.
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Old 12-13-2021, 09:05 AM
 
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I was more laughing at both parts of your statement. I certainly never considered Patrick a moderate, but whatever he was Healey is to the left of him. Probably too far left for Massachusetts even. Her vs. Diehl might be a competitive race.
I just don't see it. I think a best case scenario for Diehl against Healey is something to the tune of 60-40 in favor of Healey which would be a better showing than Trump in either election and better than he did against Liz Warren in 2018, but still hardly a competitive race.

Successful or competitive GOP candidates in recent statewide elections were moderate enough to appeal to the center-left (Romney, Baker) and/or ran against historically bad candidates (Brown). Diehl won't touch the center-left. He's been largely dismissed by anyone outside of the MA Republican Party. He's no Romney or Baker and he's not even a Scott Brown. Healey certainly has her detractors in MA, but she's not as far to the left as a number of the other names being thrown around. She's also not nearly as bad a campaigner nor as devoid of personality as someone like Martha Coakley.

Diehl will win all of the same votes that went for Trump and maybe a handful of others on the center-right who view Healey as "too far left," but in MA, that's about 35-40% percent of voters on a good day. Diehl was trounced by Liz Warren (about as unpopular a Dem as you'll find in MA) a few years ago and I just don't see how it could be expected that he'd perform significantly better in 2022. Even against Healey.
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Old 12-13-2021, 09:24 AM
 
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I was more laughing at both parts of your statement. I certainly never considered Patrick a moderate, but whatever he was Healey is to the left of him. Probably too far left for Massachusetts even. Her vs. Diehl might be a competitive race.
Didnt Maura Healey get more votes than Baker? Her vs Diehl isn't competitive at all. I don't know how 'far center' you think MA is? but I think you're off.

She's left to Patrick but she's still a runaway, the state politics have shifted left since 2006 and the growth areas have been urban areas.
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Old 12-13-2021, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Woburn, MA / W. Hartford, CT
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Didnt Maura Healey get more votes than Baker? Her vs Diehl isn't competitive at all. I don't know how 'far center' you think MA is? but I think you're off.

She's left to Patrick but she's still a runaway, the state politics have shifted left since 2006 and the growth areas have been urban areas.
Diehl's only "selling point" is as the Trump standard bearer for MA. Yet to see one solid policy idea come from him.
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Old 12-13-2021, 09:52 AM
 
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Didnt Maura Healey get more votes than Baker? Her vs Diehl isn't competitive at all. I don't know how 'far center' you think MA is? but I think you're off.
Yes she did.

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She's left to Patrick but she's still a runaway, the state politics have shifted left since 2006 and the growth areas have been urban areas.
That's what I meant. Who are reasonable candidates running for the dem that sit to the right of Healey?
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Old 12-13-2021, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Diehl's only "selling point" is as the Trump standard bearer for MA.
Which as someone said-is laughable-and reason why most of the electorate doesn't take him seriously.
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