06-05-2013, 08:40 AM
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Wednesday Wall St Journal
Delta WILL cut 23% of local jobs
Delta WILL cut flights to 60
Frankly, I stated a long while ago, this was to happen, and got nay say-ed by cheerleaders who can't understand the status of MEM in relation to other markets....
The carrier was quoted "Memphis unprofitable as a HUB"........duh, no kidding
They have pushed more of their business which includes St Louis, and Raleigh....duh, no kidding again.
**********in the same article, it states that SOUTHWEST is adding FIVE (5) departing flights out of Memphis.......five ? this is laughable.....five freeking flights.....FIVE lol
It's official. Memphis will no longer be a hub city for a major passenger airline.
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06-05-2013, 10:53 AM
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A history lesson :
When Birmingham lost DELTA AIRLINES to Atlanta, Birmingham sealed its own fate in remaining a backward, slow, third-tier city from that point to the present....Birmingham has never recovered..and its airport still sucks even in 2013...Jefferson County filed bankruptcy..one of the largest municipal failures in American history.
Come now, Delta eliminating a HUB in Memphis TN....and no airlines are "fighting" with a vengeance to get into Memphis.
You figure out the future implications...I already have...and they are deep and severe.
Any person remember PINNACLE AIRLINES ?? gonzo...lol....and cheerleaders were praising that crap for Mem and I knew it was to be a failure and a bad move....predicted it 3 years earlier....
What does it take for Mem to learn ?
....Pinnacle, Delta, The Pyramid...lol...chasing NFL...lol..Bass Pro....lol
Wait until you find out what's up with FEDEX, and a few others....lol
06-05-2013, 01:44 PM
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This does not come as a shock to anyone who has been paying attention. The writing was on the wall as soon as the two airlines merged. Delta is based in ATL; they have no need for another southern HUB in such close proximity to Atlanta. The cost to fly out of MEM on Delta was criminal and I am hopeful that Delta's departure will open more gates for other competing carriers, which should help reduce cost. Delta's crazy high prices drove many local air travelers to make the drive to Little Rock or Nashville to catch flight. With the money you would save on the plane tickets, it was well worth the drive.
As a prime example of Delta's crazy high prices I wanted to share one of my travel experiences. I was traveling to Raleigh, NC and looked to book a flight with Delta. The price was almost $800 round trip. I decided to use a family members buddy pass to fly standby to Raleigh and I booked a one way Delta flight from Raleigh to Phoenix that connected in Memphis to get back home. The flight from Raleigh to Phoenix was approximately $200, but the flight from Raleigh to Memphis (that was using the same plane) was $475. I just got off the plane in Memphis. How can you justify paying twice the price to travel a shorter distance? It does not make sense how Delta is gouging people who fly in and out of Memphis.
06-05-2013, 06:53 PM
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It's fashionable to blame Delta, but long before Delta bought Northwest, Memphians were already driving to Little Rock and Nashville for cheaper flights than what was available out of MEM.
I agree that it is unlikely that MEM will ever rise to the prominence it once had among the nation's airports. This is no knock on Memphis as a city, but the regional population just isn't there to support a large, non-hub airport.
Still, it'll be interesting to see what, if any, former DL routes out of MEM will be picked up by other airlines, and it'll be fun to see what this does to MEM air fares.
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06-05-2013, 08:55 PM
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Nashville got de-hubed by American a while back and things seemed to work out OK for them. I am hoping we see something similar happen in Memphis.
06-05-2013, 09:10 PM
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Nashville got de-hubed by American a while back and things seemed to work out OK for them. I am hoping we see something similar happen in Memphis.
But Nashville receives a lot more tourists and business visiters than Memphis, and the population within Nashville's market area is much higher than in the Memphis area. I do agree that it's likely that some of DL's old routes will be taken over by other carriers, but it is highly unlikey that SW or anyone else will make a mini-hub in Memphis like they did just 200 miles away in BNA.
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06-05-2013, 10:44 PM
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Who said anything about SW making Memphis a mini-hub? All I am saying is being de-hubed is not the end of the world. I am also not so sure about the disparity in tourist, buiness travelers, or the market area population. I do not think the spread in any of those areas is that great. I am gonna have to see some real data to believe that the spread is as large as your post implies. The passenger traffic is greater at BNA, but some people actually fly into Nashville to get to Memphis. No one comes through Memphis to get to Nashville. If prices were equal between the two airports the passenger volume would be much closer. Many people travel to Memphis. Several of those folks just choose not to fly in and out of MEM because of high prices.
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06-05-2013, 11:03 PM
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A history lesson :
What does it take for Mem to learn ?
....Pinnacle, Delta, The Pyramid...lol...chasing NFL...lol..Bass Pro....lol
Wait until you find out what's up with FEDEX, and a few others....lol
I would agree that the powers that be in Memphis have made some poor decisions over the years with fiascos like Mud Island, Libertyland and as you have previously mentioned Peabody Place and the Pyramid. I'm also afraid that Bass Pro will someday be added to that list.
However, I think chasing the NFL was a smart move over the years and would have been successful if we had committed to building a new stadium. The NFL made the right choice in 1976 by picking Seattle and Tampa Bay but when the NFL expanded in the 1990s, they should have picked Charlotte and Memphis instead of Jacksonville. An NFL team in Memphis would have done very well.
Nashville getting a team certainly ends that dream for the rest of anyone's lifetime who is reading this forum, but we got the Grizzlies which is very good for Memphis so it probably worked out for the best.
06-06-2013, 12:39 PM
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some people don't get reality....or in denial about economic ramifications of screw-ups..
people didn't travel that much in MEM when NorthWorst ran the show, and that's a fact.
Nashville's tourism and international and national exposure vaulted Nashville right past Memphis, the largest city in the State...that process is already in motion...big time...the momentum in this travel respect is with Nashville in TN, not Memphis, TN...
of course it's not the end of the world, but it's demonstrably significant to business, to tourism to international exposure/expansion.
NO international service industry or manufacturer will EVER consider deliberately choosing a city with second rate air service and connections.....duh....that's how ATLANTA grew to attract soooooo many national and international "branch and regional offices" !! who the hell is stupid enough to put executives and support people at a deliberate travel disadvantage ! NO company or international endeavor is that stupid or backward......the same thing would apply if a city had no access to massive interstate systems....communications relays.....good schools, decent shopping, fantastic FOOD/grocery stores, progressive taxation, low impact fees.....or in some cases, even decent weather !
why would any company put themselves at a disadvantage when there are far more competitive choices ??? no board of directors is that stupid....even FEDEX is contemplating big changes whether you realize it or not....wake up ! lol
this is just another aspect/trait that puts Memphis behind.....look, going BACKWARDS is never perceived in a positive light by investors, business executives, entrepreneurs, transplants, or global ventures.....sorry, that's the hard truth.....having lousy transportation is a net NEGATIVE for business...
that's the truth, so stop attempting to minimize the perceptual damage...that's foolish. the damage is real, and validates the claim by many other cities that THEY are the ones "on the move"...whether it's Nashville, Charlotte, Tampa, Raleigh or Austin..
Memphis once again, sot itself in the foot, by not getting on top of this air travel issue thagt existed 20 years ago ! and everybody knows that if you've been around for more than 5 freekin years....old old problem that was never solved....so now you get to deal with more bad leadership....
06-07-2013, 10:25 AM
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speaking of "de-hubbing"
FEDEX would be smart to consolidate, and move the hub out of Memphis...could save them hundreds of millions of dollars over the next 10 years.
If I were on the Board, that would be my idea to increase shareholder value, long term. The social "fallout" would be significant, but you don't grow a business's profitability by riding the same dead horse into the ground...you shift, adapt, change...and look for efficiencies globally and never be "beholden" to the narrow, uncompetitive, "local color"....but hell....Fred might be smarter than all of us, and way ahead to boot.
If I were Fred, I would be looking for the next move for my shareholders and start packing my boxes for a destination to a great business location that could represent huge savings....that city would be Indianapolis...hell, I would have made the move 7 years ago....too many financial advantages to ignore.
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Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)