The need for revenge…one sign that you could know a psychopath (therapy, deal)

[CorporateCowboy]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

thats great , call me a psychopath , not reductive at all , No siree

No need to feel wronged; I didn’t call you a psychopath. This is what I stated:

Originally Posted by CorporateCowboy

Your statement sounds a bit psychopathic in and of itself as you appear not to understand the difference between justice/the law vs. physical acts of ‘revenge’ and wrongdoing.

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by CorporateCowboy

No need to feel wronged; I didn’t call you a psychopath. This is what I stated:

No need to back peddle or engage in semantics, if you didn't intend to imply , you would have worded that post differently

The implication is clear, own it

[TashaPosh]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

most people dont take any pleasure when a death row inmate is executed but the family of someone who was brutally murdered might well take pleasure in said execution , does that make those people psychopathic ? , i dont personally think it does at all

Ofc not…AND where did you get that from? The inmate who brutally murdered somebody might be a psychopath tho. Psychopaths & sociopaths are in trouble with the law a lot & a high percentage of them are in prison. To meet criteria, there are several traits that have to be present from each category & it has to be ongoing over time.

Originally Posted by irish_bob

its a lot more nuanced than you portray

Well….fight about nuances with the APA if you want. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Or the clinicians that use the Hare psychopathy checklist. It’s super clear IMO but wrong information is common because psychopaths, sociopaths & “narcissists” are all over pop psychology culture. Lots of ppl can they are a psychologist or therapist.

Originally Posted by irish_bob

we are far too quick to pathologise people for the most part

Ita. Ppl can be too sensitive & angry…BUT if the shoe fits, there is nothing wrong with gathering information, protecting yourself & getting the police involved. AND tell & show every friend & family member as many details as you have.

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by TashaPosh

Ofc not…AND where did you get that from? The inmate who brutally murdered somebody might be a psychopath tho. Psychopaths & sociopaths are in trouble with the law a lot & a high percentage of them are in prison. To meet criteria, there are several traits that have to be present from each category & it has to be ongoing over time.







Well….fight about nuances with the APA if you want. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Or the clinicians that use the Hare psychopathy checklist. It’s super clear IMO but wrong information is common because psychopaths, sociopaths & “narcissists” are all over pop psychology culture. Lots of ppl can they are a psychologist or therapist.







Ita. Ppl can be too sensitive & angry…BUT if the shoe fits, there is nothing wrong with gathering information, protecting yourself & getting the police involved. AND tell & show every friend & family member as many details as you have.

the inmate on death row who murders a random stranger is a psychopath , why else would someone murder a complete stranger ?

its been stated on this thread already however that someone even desiring retribution has the mind or tendacies of a psychopath , perhaps but then again maybe most of us share some common traits even with people who commit horrific acts , that hardly makes someone conclusively a psychopath ?, merely wishing no good on someone who grievously harmed you is not a sign of being crazy , I only wish ill upon one person in this world and I have not met them in twenty five years and are extremely unlikely to ever meet them again , still cant fool myself into believing what they did was ok

[TashaPosh]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

the inmate on death row who murders a random stranger is a psychopath , why else would someone murder a complete stranger ?

If it’s a stranger or somebody they don’t know as well as they think they do, Ita….it’s probable. BUT all psychopaths aren’t murderers & all murderers aren’t psychopaths.

AND…it’s totally different to have a psychopathic trait than be a psychopath ofc especially since there is crossover of some traits. Ppl with NPD or sociopathy can seek emotional vengeance or revenge if they feel wronged. They deceive, lie, or manipulate to get it because it’s all about them. They have the ability to feel empathy but it’s weakened…so some will feel very little.

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by TashaPosh

If it’s a stranger or somebody they don’t know as well as they think they do, Ita….it’s probable. BUT all psychopaths aren’t murderers & all murderers aren’t psychopaths.

AND…it’s totally different to have a psychopathic trait than be a psychopath ofc especially since there is crossover of some traits. Ppl with NPD or sociopathy can seek emotional vengeance or revenge if they feel wronged. They deceive, lie, or manipulate to get it because it’s all about them. They have the ability to feel empathy but it’s weakened…so some will feel very little.

if someone is grievously wronged , who else would it be about only them

[TashaPosh]

Tho if somebody thinks they were “grievously wronged”^^ AND they are out for revenge, that’s a psychopathic trait…especially over a long time. It doesn’t make them a psychopath ofc….other criteria has to be met.

edit: It is also a trait that is seen in ASPD & NPD…tho more emotional revenge & pain than physical.

[CorporateCowboy]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

if someone is grievously wronged , who else would it be about only them

Point being, there is a distinction between a (perceived) ‘wrong’ vs. a criminal act. As long as your ‘revenge’ stays within the law, no problem; but someone who is unstable/psychopathic will not care about aligning with such as they feel they are ‘above the law’ while being blinded by revenge i.e. they get careless.

Originally Posted by irish_bob

No need to back peddle or engage in semantics, if you didn't intend to imply , you would have worded that post differently

The implication is clear, own it

I own what I say - not what you interpret; hence the reason I made the same statement twice. I questioned your inability to distinguish the difference between ‘justice/law’ vs. ‘revenge’. I still do.

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by CorporateCowboy

Point being, there is a distinction between a (perceived) ‘wrong’ vs. a criminal act. As long as your ‘revenge’ stays within the law, no problem; but someone who is unstable/psychopathic will not care about aligning with such as they feel they are ‘above the law’ while being blinded by revenge i.e. they get careless.



I own what I say - not what you interpret; hence the reason I made the same statement twice. I questioned your inability to distinguish the difference between ‘justice/law’ vs. ‘revenge’. I still do.

I don't recommend or encourage people to go around getting physical with people in order to settle scores but that's different to viewing someone as psychopathic for even feeling intense anger towards someone who wronged you.

As for a " perceived wrong " , a person need not have been on the receiving end of what is technically a criminal act in order to have been wronged

You stray close to gaslighting with that statement, implying that someone only perceived they were wronged, very few people are masochists so if they are troubled about something someone did to them, I tend to take them at face value, not question their perception powers

[CorporateCowboy]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

As for a " perceived wrong " , a person need not have been on the receiving end of what is technically a criminal act in order to have been wronged

You stray close to gaslighting with that statement, implying that someone only perceived they were wronged, very few people are masochists so if they are troubled about something someone did to them, I tend to take them at face value, not question their perception powers

It’s a bit difficult to discuss when you (repeatedly) miss the distinction between a ‘wrong’ vs. a criminal act and (personal) revenge vs. (societal) justice. All of us have felt wronged at one time or another; it’s a matter of how one reacts which speaks to their mental health.

If a person cheats or loses interest in their relationship, for example, a person feels betrayed/wronged; but there will be no ‘justice’ in terms of the law, obviously. A healthy person deals with the betrayal and takes necessary action. In this case, it might involve an intense conversation in an attempt to repair or be heard, or he/she may simply know they want to leave the relationship - and does so quickly, feeling no need to discuss anything as the ‘damage is done’. However, a psychopath or unstable person doesn’t care about fixing/reaching closure to the problem/situation which caused their anger; rather, he/she acts upon their anger/rage (and feels justified in so doing). Their anger is over-the-top and persistent; it becomes the bigger problem.

Point being, a mentally unstable person’s revenge is often the criminal act in and of itself; it’s the necessary takeaway relative to psychopaths and the thread. Think of a woman who shreds a man’s clothes, vandalizes his car, attempts to defame him or stabs him in the back because he is cheating or rejected her. She feels grievously wronged; but that’s a psychopathic disregard for the law because, in her eyes, ‘he deserved it’.