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Old 04-13-2011, 04:37 PM
 
Location: London, England
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All i ever seem to read about is how more bodies are found in a pit or something along those lines and this is a daily occurance.

What actually is the life expectancy in these places?
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:08 AM
 
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76.47 years.

In a country with +100 million of people, the deaths provoked by narco war are a minimal proportion.
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The life expectancy is perfectly normal. The number of people murdered is not enough to reduce the actuarial life expectancy by any more than a day or two. In Mexico overall, the life expectancy is about two years less than in the USA.

Latest figures:
USA = 78.14 years
Mexico = 75.85
Differnce = 2.30


Northern Mexico is quite a bit more industrialized than the rest of the country, I would not be surprised if the life expectancy in the northern Mexican states is higher than in the USA.
In Texas, it is 76.7, so I am quite sure that the life expectancy in Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, is higher than in Texas.

Mexico is now in the process of phasing in universal health care, so I would bet that in 5 years, Mexico's life expectancy will be, overall, higher than the USA.

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Old 04-14-2011, 10:18 AM
 
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Life expectancy in the U.S. is nothing to brag about, and provides a less-than-ideal standard for comparison.
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Old 04-14-2011, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Life expectancy in the U.S. is nothing to brag about, and provides a less-than-ideal standard for comparison.
The point here is the statistical absurdity that a few murders, or even a few thousand murders, can have an actuarial impact on the death rates of a nation with 120-million people.

If there were 120,000 cartel-related murders in Mexico, reducing to 35 the life of people who would otherwise live to be 75, even that would reduce the life expectancy by only 40/1000 of a year, or two weeks.

The Mexican government revealed a database that shows 34,000 killed in the past four years.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10681249
At that rate, it would take ten more years, at the same rate of killing, to shorten the national life expectancy by two weeks.

Of the 34,000 killed, almost 90% were classified as either accomplices, associates or rivals of the cartels. I think you'd have to agree that Mexico is a better place without them.

(The link cited above appears to be a very well-balanced, objective, and up-to-date overview. Recommended reading.)

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Old 04-16-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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The point here is the statistical absurdity that a few murders, or even a few thousand murders, can have an actuarial impact on the death rates of a nation with 120-million people.

If there were 120,000 cartel-related murders in Mexico, reducing to 35 the life of people who would otherwise live to be 75, even that would reduce the life expectancy by only 40/1000 of a year, or two weeks.

The Mexican government revealed a database that shows 34,000 killed in the past four years.
BBC News - Q&A: Mexico's drug-related violence
At that rate, it would take ten more years, at the same rate of killing, to shorten the national life expectancy by two weeks.

Of the 34,000 killed, almost 90% were classified as either accomplices, associates or rivals of the cartels. I think you'd have to agree that Mexico is a better place without them.

(The link cited above appears to be a very well-balanced, objective, and up-to-date overview. Recommended reading.)
You're right. The life expectancy of a cartel member might not be that great but the rest of the people are doing okay.

Even in Juarez, most of the people there go about their business as usual. They go to school, work, go out shopping. They may tend to stay inside their homes more in the evening now because street crime is up but that doesn't lower their life expectancy.
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Old 04-16-2011, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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What is it about people, that they are constantly looking under their beds for murderers? Worldwide, a person has about one chance in 500 of his ultimate cause of death being homicide. Considering that about 80% of all murderers are friends, associates or family members of their victims, you have only one chance in 2 or 3 thousand of ever being murdered, if you make an effort to steer away from the kinds of people who are likely to be murderers. Which doesn't seem that hard to do. Even in Mexico.
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Old 04-16-2011, 03:33 PM
 
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Worldwide, a person has about one chance in 500 of his ultimate cause of death being homicide.
That stat appears to be grossly wrong (too high). According to NationMaster.com, the weighted worldwide average per capita murder rate is .1 per 1,000 people (or, one person in 10,000). That is 20 times less than the statistic you gave.
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Old 04-16-2011, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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Baja California:

Male: 73.8 years
Female: 78.6 years

Dinámica. Baja California

Sonora:

"Se estima que en 2010 la esperanza de vida en Sonora fue de 78.0 años para las mujeres y 73.0 para los hombres; la brecha de cinco años se explica por la mayor mortalidad masculina ocurrida principalmente en edades jóvenes y adultas." Tiene Sonora más hombres que mujeres*|*EHUI

"The estimated life expectancy in 2010 for Sonora was 78.0 years for females and 73.0 for males; the gap of five years is explained by the higher male mortality occurring principally at youth and adult ages"

Chihuahua:

Male: 73.8 years
Female: 78.2 years

Dinámica. Chihuahua

Coahuila:

Male: 72.8 years
Female: 77.4 years

Dinámica. Coahuila de Zaragoza

Nuevo Leon:

Male: 73.2 years
Female: 78.1 years

Dinámica. Nuevo León

Tamaulipas:

Male: 73.0 years
Female: 77.7 years

Dinámica. Tamaulipas

For comparison (both sexes):

California: 79.7
Arizona: 78.2
New Mexico: 77.7
Texas: 77.6
Mississippi: 73.9
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Old 04-16-2011, 04:35 PM
 
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California: 79.7
Arizona: 78.2
I'm sure when I moved from AZ to CA that I gained at least 10 years of life.
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