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Old 08-20-2011, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Axixic, Jalisco, MX
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The business that is and could be the drug war - The Voice of Mexico

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War means money. It's an ancient piece of wisdom, and apparently it can be applied to Mexico as well. Animal Político reports today that US firms have made almost 200 million dollars off the struggle against organized crime in Mexico in the last four years.

Private contractors in the United States have sold millions in know-how and technology used in the fight against organized crime groups. Much of the money comes from the Mérida Initiative, a 1,3 billion dollar aid package to the governments of Mexico and Central-American nations, intended on deterring transnational crime and drug trafficking. Analysts already indicated that much of the money from the Mérida Initiative never actually reaches Mexico or Central-America, and instead is paid to US firms.

Outsourcing armed conflict is nothing new to the US. The wars and Afghanistan and Iraq have required a good deal of services that the Pentagon found easier to be hired from private contractors. These aren’t always rowdy mercenaries with guns, but can be anything from cooks, drivers, technicians to, well, rowdy mercenaries with guns. In Iraq the presence of private contractors became controversial, after several employees of security contractor Blackwater were killed in Iraq several years ago.
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Earlier this week the Mexican government announced that CIA personnel is now active in the country, to assist Mexican law enforcement. Congress was not amused, and demands from the Government Secretariat (Segob) that the role of the CIA is explained to them as soon as possible.
As long as they do not work for the U.S. government, they are legal.

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American (armed) presence on Mexican soil has been a touchy subject ever since the Mexican-American War of 1846-1848. Foreign government personnel are strictly forbidden to carry arms on Mexican soil. However, the United Nations has on various occasions indicated that there are reports of US private security firms active in Mexico, but on behalf of private Mexican customers.
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:41 AM
 
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Not only that, but there are rumors that the CIA is connected to the drug cartels and the world drug trade for the same reason you said. War is a great generator of profit and the War on Drugs is such a war. Plus, keeping drugs illegal only raises the price of the drugs, making it even more lucrative.

Daily Kos: CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE
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Old 08-21-2011, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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"US firms have made almost 200 million dollars off the struggle against organized crime in Mexico in the last four years."

Do you realize what a tiny amount of money that is? The New York Yankees have already paid third-baseman Alex Rodriguez that much money, and are under contract to pay him $200-million more from now to 2017.

Every day that we were in Iraq, we spend that much money before breakfast, most of it going to US corporations like Halliburton.
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Old 08-23-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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Ax,

You are not Mexican, you don't know how we roll. Yeah, the congress in Mexico gets upset because the majority are involved in drugs or they hate the American's.

This is not big business for us. Its big business for Mexican companies, etc. Our American companies make more money from the drug war in the states than in Mexico.
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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Corporations make money off the war on drugs by selling helicopters or what not.

However, if they legalized the drugs or just stopped the "war on drugs" then Mexico would be spending the money on maybe new schools or a bridge or rail system.....and a corportation would then be making money from there not being a war on drugs.

Then we could read your thread about how corporations stopped the war on drugs because they want to make profits and don't care about the people.

Smart money would be that your source is either heavily nationalistic or supported by narco money and is trying to make it look like the fight with the narcos is being driven by the US industry trying to make profits. Hey, the US is plenty at fault for the drug problem....we buy it after all....but I'm not falling for this articles smokescreen.
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Old 08-24-2011, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Axixic, Jalisco, MX
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Corporations make money off the war on drugs by selling helicopters or what not.

However, if they legalized the drugs or just stopped the "war on drugs" then Mexico would be spending the money on maybe new schools or a bridge or rail system.....and a corportation would then be making money from there not being a war on drugs.

Then we could read your thread about how corporations stopped the war on drugs because they want to make profits and don't care about the people.

Smart money would be that your source is either heavily nationalistic or supported by narco money and is trying to make it look like the fight with the narcos is being driven by the US industry trying to make profits. Hey, the US is plenty at fault for the drug problem....we buy it after all....but I'm not falling for this articles smokescreen.
Do you remember the 6 Day War? The U.S. was selling arms to Egypt and Israel. U.S. corporations, defense contractors, never miss an opportunity to make a dollar. I was in Argentina when Peron was trying to get back into office and the U.S. military filled hotels in its "support" of Chile to overthrow Allende. The hotels were also filled with defense contractor representatives selling arms to Peronist and anti-Peronist. It's always that way with the U.S., the only friend the U.S. is true to is who is giving it dollars at the time, a second after that, it's, "I don't remember that guy, next."
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Old 08-27-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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Do you remember the 6 Day War? The U.S. was selling arms to Egypt and Israel. U.S. corporations, defense contractors, never miss an opportunity to make a dollar. I was in Argentina when Peron was trying to get back into office and the U.S. military filled hotels in its "support" of Chile to overthrow Allende. The hotels were also filled with defense contractor representatives selling arms to Peronist and anti-Peronist. It's always that way with the U.S., the only friend the U.S. is true to is who is giving it dollars at the time, a second after that, it's, "I don't remember that guy, next."
Keep whining. Yeah because the Mexican government is any different with its poor southern neighbors. No sir/mam, the Mexican government along with its supe elite class treats everybody that's below its knees even worse than the US treats Mexico. Just ask people from Guatemala or other Cetral American nations. Yep, Mexico *hit stink alot but of course, the Plebe needs someone to blame and whom better than the gringos (The Americans) that have been in bed with the Mexica' elite since Mexico foundation. Everybody is in for making some money, not only the US. Though, the US companies happen to be the most efficent at doing it. Hey, better us(me) than them(you).

By the way. I have some AK-47. Would you like to buy them?
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Old 08-27-2011, 04:23 PM
 
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Corporations make money off the war on drugs by selling helicopters or what not.

However, if they legalized the drugs or just stopped the "war on drugs" then Mexico would be spending the money on maybe new schools or a bridge or rail system.....and a corportation would then be making money from there not being a war on drugs.

Then we could read your thread about how corporations stopped the war on drugs because they want to make profits and don't care about the people.

Smart money would be that your source is either heavily nationalistic or supported by narco money and is trying to make it look like the fight with the narcos is being driven by the US industry trying to make profits. Hey, the US is plenty at fault for the drug problem....we buy it after all....but I'm not falling for this articles smokescreen.
Or not.

The casino burning for example - was that casino really about smuggling pot into the USA? Was it really burned by pot smugglers? Doesn't Mexico have to spend it's money trying to find out who burned the casino? Even if it's not directly related to pot.

Or is there some extortion and other stuff going on? Maybe it's not only all about drug smuggling into the USA.

I think Mexico has a big problem in certain regions with a strong criminal element. I'm not sure guns were even used on the casino, someone wanted to burn it down and so they did but not likely it has to do with US corporations.

The gun trafficking from the USA is bad and it was known but allowed - but also there are the Mexican customs that allowed powerful weapons to be brought in. Just like the USA has corruption that allows the trucks filled with all kinds of drugs and other contraband in, Mexico's corruption allows forbidden weapons to be brought in.
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Old 08-27-2011, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Axixic, Jalisco, MX
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Keep whining. Yeah because the Mexican government is any different with its poor southern neighbors. No sir/mam, the Mexican government along with its supe elite class treats everybody that's below its knees even worse than the US treats Mexico. Just ask people from Guatemala or other Cetral American nations. Yep, Mexico *hit stink alot but of course, the Plebe needs someone to blame and whom better than the gringos (The Americans) that have been in bed with the Mexica' elite since Mexico foundation. Everybody is in for making some money, not only the US. Though, the US companies happen to be the most efficent at doing it. Hey, better us(me) than them(you).

By the way. I have some AK-47. Would you like to buy them?
After you learn to write in English, you might want to read the new Mexican Federal Laws concerning illegal aliens which are to protect illegal immigrants from Mexico's Southern borders. Mexico's "elite" are as varied as the "elite" in the U.S. and like in the U.S., many are capable of caring about their fellow humans.

DOF - Diario Oficial de la Federación

I am a U.S. citizen, not a "You," that you think is some sort of an insult.

Are your AK-47s legal? Would the ATF like to look into it?

You name yourself Thomas Jefferson but I bet you know little to nothing about Thomas Jefferson. Mexico does not allow religion in politics and religions are not tax free as in the U.S. Religion does not influence government like in the U.S. of which Jefferson would have approved. Like Lincoln, Jefferson was also a non-believer.

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I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
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And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter.
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the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God."
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Old 08-27-2011, 06:45 PM
 
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After you learn to write in English, you might want to read the new Mexican Federal Laws concerning illegal aliens which are to protect illegal immigrants from Mexico's Southern borders. Mexico's "elite" are as varied as the "elite" in the U.S. and like in the U.S., many are capable of caring about their fellow humans.

DOF - Diario Oficial de la Federación

I am a U.S. citizen, not a "You," that you think is some sort of an insult.

Are your AK-47s legal? Would the ATF like to look into it?

You name yourself Thomas Jefferson but I bet you know little to nothing about Thomas Jefferson. Mexico does not allow religion in politics and religions are not tax free as in the U.S. Religion does not influence government like in the U.S. of which Jefferson would have approved. Like Lincoln, Jefferson was also a non-believer.

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Ahhhh? the new laws. Do people follow the laws in Mexico? I have travelled enough to know that laws represent nothing if there isnt a well respected government to enforce them. In Mexico's case, a country I like, the whole system is corrupt to the core so no, I do not believe that only because laws are being written in the constitution they are going to be followed. Either way my point was that, the Mexico government as well as other governments, which include the USA, are all the same. They protect their interest first and then care about the rest. Expecting otherwise from a person, company, society and country in general is childish and a good path for failure in this world.

I mean, who were the ones that signed the NAFTA agreement with the US? The US did not force the MEXICO's ELITE to do it. I bet that were all those richest Mexicans in the DF. But of course, its better to blame your neighbors than look to your garden and realize that your own people sold you out. You want to blame somebody for Mexico's agricultural demise relating to NAFTA, blame the Mexico's elite. They knew before hand what was going to happen and they did not care about the little guy. The same happen in all aspect of society in every country. Why? Ask me? Ask me? Because they were after their own interest. The big Cocos, the almighty dollar.

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