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Old 11-11-2019, 12:04 AM
 
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This is hyperbole to the extreme. Mexico gets tens of millions of tourists per year, the overwhelming majority of whom enjoy their vacations without issies. Despite the headlines most Mexicans live their lives without interaction without encountering the violence of the narco wars, they go to work, eat out, spend time with their families, etc. To compare that with Afghanistan is absurd, and naive.
If criminals can kill cops with impunity, I just dont see how they dont just start terrorizing everyone. There is absolutely nothing to stop them. The cartels can become the defacto authority, and start collecting taxes themselves. Is there a separate LE for each different rung of the socio-economic ladder?
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Old 11-11-2019, 05:45 AM
 
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It is unfortunate that the United States basically has Afghanistan on its southern border.

Some countries never learn to be civilized.
Rite, because the United States is an Example of civilisation
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:29 AM
 
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This is hyperbole to the extreme. Mexico gets tens of millions of tourists per year, the overwhelming majority of whom enjoy their vacations without issies. Despite the headlines most Mexicans live their lives without interaction without encountering the violence of the narco wars, they go to work, eat out, spend time with their families, etc. To compare that with Afghanistan is absurd, and naive.


Ironically folks in Latin America are among the most polite and civilized in the world.
The drug war in Mexico is claiming 30,000 lives a year. Portions of Mexico that are further south maybe safe, but northern Mexico is not safe for Americans or other groups. It does no good to pretend there isn't a problem. The recent deaths of these nine Americans simply highlights a crisis that has been going on for years.

A government is supposed to govern. If the government in Mexico City is what it claims to be than drastic measures need to be taken. The idea that it can be defeated or be forced to cede control over a region of the country to organized criminals cannot be allowed. If nothing is done more and more people will arm themselves and begin taking the law into their own hands. Many Americans right now are refusing to travel to Mexico because of concerns about their safety.

Whether you think that Latin Americans are some of the most polite and civilized people in the world is irrelevant. The simple facts about the drug war in Mexico say otherwise.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:40 AM
 
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Whether you think that Latin Americans are some of the most polite and civilized people in the world is irrelevant. The simple facts about the drug war in Mexico say otherwise.
The drug war is highly fuelled by the United States.

Plus what does the entire region of Latin America have to do with Mexico and its drug trade in the north
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:08 AM
 
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The drug war is highly fuelled by the United States.

Plus what does the entire region of Latin America have to do with Mexico and its drug trade in the north
Colombia supplies Mexico with its cocaine.

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Old 11-11-2019, 08:36 AM
 
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Colombia supplies Mexico with its cocaine.
Here is a half informed individual
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:37 AM
 
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Here is a half informed individual
^^Here is a Colombian in denial.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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Right wing talking points? What are you smoking?
Nope, just TDS talking
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Spain
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If criminals can kill cops with impunity
They can't. Don't take extreme examples and assume there is absolutely no rule of law in Mexico.


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The drug war in Mexico is claiming 30,000 lives a year. Portions of Mexico that are further south maybe safe, but northern Mexico is not safe for Americans or other groups. It does no good to pretend there isn't a problem. The recent deaths of these nine Americans simply highlights a crisis that has been going on for years.

A government is supposed to govern. If the government in Mexico City is what it claims to be than drastic measures need to be taken. The idea that it can be defeated or be forced to cede control over a region of the country to organized criminals cannot be allowed. If nothing is done more and more people will arm themselves and begin taking the law into their own hands. Many Americans right now are refusing to travel to Mexico because of concerns about their safety.

Whether you think that Latin Americans are some of the most polite and civilized people in the world is irrelevant. The simple facts about the drug war in Mexico say otherwise.
Who is pretending there is isn't a problem? Rejecting the claim that Mexico is comparable to Afghanistan is not the same thing as pretending there isn't a problem, there is lots of gray area between the two extremes and it's irrational to assume anyone with an opinion on the subject must be either on one extreme or the other.

Many Americans refusing to travel to Mexico right now is irrelevant to the discussion, one can find Americans with opinions all over the board about any country. If you want to use tourist arrivals as a metric for the safety of a country look here https://tradingeconomics.com/mexico/tourist-arrivals clearly it doesn't favor your argument.

The comment on civilized behavior is indeed relevant unless you believe all 130 million people in Mexico are in or support narco cartels. Civilized behavior for a country as a whole is represented in daily interactions among the majority of the people, not the very few who are the exception.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Spain
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Colombia supplies Mexico with its cocaine.
Yep. Even raw coca base produced agriculturally in Bolivia and Peru is usually transported to Colombia for fabrication and shipping.
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