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Ahhh yes the all powerful KATA! This looks no different then any other wushu, Kung fu, tkd, mess. Don't understand why some people seem to think kind of thing works, or that it remotely resembles "early mma". Technically taking 2 styles could be construed as mixing martial arts BUT taking 2 styles that are apparently very similar doesn't count.
I mean it's like taking Gracie style jiu jitsu and "mixing" it with 10th planet rubber guard, in the end that's not mma.
Ahhh yes the all powerful KATA! This looks no different then any other wushu, Kung fu, tkd, mess. Don't understand why some people seem to think kind of thing works, or that it remotely resembles "early mma". Technically taking 2 styles could be construed as mixing martial arts BUT taking 2 styles that are apparently very similar doesn't count.
I mean it's like taking Gracie style jiu jitsu and "mixing" it with 10th planet rubber guard, in the end that's not mma.
obviously you've never seen a man throw a ball of energy kid
Shotokan have not heard of that in awhile. sunday punch karate.
lets see that is where you hit so hard you end up shattering your own limbs as well as his. guarantee double kill every time (mutual destruction)
at least in fencing there is hope of that not happening too much.
Don't understand why some people seem to think this kind of thing works
How are you determining if a style "works"?
I think nowadays too many people are judging the effectivness of a style based on how it matches up with BJJ and MMA. How many muggers or street thugs will know BJJ or have mastered Muay Thai kicks? Not many.
I think determining the effectivness of a style like Wado Ryu and others shouldn't be limited to how it matches up with BJJ/MMA. I'am sure many Karate black belts can handle most untrained street thugs assuming they have been taught how to apply their style to various situations and circumstances.
I think nowadays too many people are judging the effectivness of a style based on how it matches up with BJJ and MMA. How many muggers or street thugs will know BJJ or have mastered Muay Thai kicks? Not many.
I think determining the effectivness of a style like Wado Ryu and others shouldn't be limited to how it matches up with BJJ/MMA. I'am sure many Karate black belts can handle most untrained street thugs assuming they have been taught how to apply their style to various situations and circumstances.
and yet this is a MMA board not a self defense board. i mean why not go post this stuff on the boxing board, it is the same thing.
the other thing is, if this stuff was actually effective in self defense even then there would be one of thse schools on every other corner. why where these types of styles not used in any of the early UFCs where it was not MMA but style vs style to see what styles really worked. every "karate master" who faced ANY OTHER STYLE (ie wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, jiu jitsu, judo) got completely owned. in the years i have been training self defense, and martial arts in general, i have seen these guys come and go and throw out challenges, and they all end badly. one of the biggest problems i have with these types of things, the false sense of empowerment and strength. i mean how many styles like these hand out black belts like candy? how many 8 yr olds have blackbelts? my son trains mma and bjj and is 8 years old, he does not have that "im a blackbelt, you cant hurt me" attitude because bjj does not allow that for kids. with the time he has trained he would EASILY be a black belt in these types of martial arts. now for the point......... if an 8 year old kid with a blackbelt where to be attacked by a 30 year old man, the kid would have the self confidence to say "im a blackbelt you better leave me alone" (you get my point i hope). how do you think thats going to end? if that man wants to take that kid there is NOTHING that kid could do about it, black belt or not. i bring this up because i have seen it happen. in san antonio when i was about 18-19-20 years old, a girl with a black belt (about 12 years old) in some form of kung fu or karate or what not, was walking home, and a man pulled over, witnesses said she tried to "defend" herself and he just reached right out, grabbed her and put her in the car. she was eventually found dead in a ditch 2-3 weeks later and the police say she was raped and beaten repeatedly until her death. that little girl lived across the street from my best friend and she was taken on stahl road about 1 mile from her home. (her name was HEIDI SEEMAN)
bottom line, these types of styles do not work, the punch from the hip while stepping forward do not produce power, the "karate chop" does not produce enough power to cause enough significant damage as to cause an attacker to want to stop.
all this said, it doesnt mean bjj or muay thai or boxing or judo or what not are all powerful either. last story for the day....... one of my friends and training partners is hand to hand instructor for the houston police department. i have heard many stories from his times on the street, one is significant considering you bring up a "mugger with no training". he responded to a break in, and showed up on the scene to find a man running out of the house. he chased him, and tackled the guy. the guy was bigger then mike, and ended up getting mike on his back, where mike "pulled guard". he proceeded to punch mike from inside his guard and mike caught the guy in a kimura. the guy continued to "resist" and mike snapped the guys shoulder. now this you would think would have ended it, the guy screamed and swung even harder with his other hand. mike eventually reversed the position and choked him unconscious at which time he handcuffed the guy, and called for an ambulance. this guy was no trained martial artist, he was just a big tough "mugger" type. now had mike tried some of this goofy kata style martial art, he very well would have had 2 choices, get his ass handed to him, or discharge his weapon.
these styles DO NOT WORK and they are NOT even remotely part of the mma world and never have been.
How are Shotokan karate and jiu jitsu similar? Are you familiar enough with Shotokan karate and Shindo Yoshin-ryu jujutsu to say they are similar?
you are apparently taking the word jujutsu and interpreting it as related to modern day jiu jitsu. now a short history lesson, jujutsu, jiu jitsu, ju jitsu, jiu jutsu are all the same thing, as a mater of fact, ALL martial arts as we know them originated from jujutsu. they eventually broke into different "styles" but they all came from the same place. now this form of jujutsu you are speaking of now is a more "traditional" style which is not a grappling based style but a stand up style. then the shotokan karate, being a stand up style would mean that both styles are similar.
that said, a simple search would show you that BOTH STYLES are based at least in part on Shōrei-ryū and Shōrin-ryū.
it is not really worth going into all the aspects of how these styles are the same thing but slightly different. as i said before, its like saying gracie jiu jitsu and 10th planet jiu jitsu being "mixed" would create MMA.
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