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Old 10-29-2012, 05:55 PM
 
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That uptick of English in Montreal is the result of Francophiles leaving the city to live in the more affordable off island communities such as Laval and Vaudreuil. So the francophones leave and Bill 101 has to be toughened because of "more " English being heard downtown....
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:06 AM
 
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Talking to my wife about the issue and she says its not Anglophones coming to Montreal that is responsible for more English being spoken in Montreal but more Francophones speaking English which makes me wonder if Quebecs striving for a French only province is a lesson in futility as English more and more takes over the language of global communication,technology,business.etc.
So when Marois wants to crack down on rampant usage of English in at least the Montreal area she is in essence going to be obstructing Francophones from speaking English rather than making life tougher for an already bilingual Anglo demographic.Seems like shooting yourself in the foot as your brightest are trying to rise to the challenges of the global milieu only to be slapped back down by the PQ government into cultural and linguistic irrelevance and mediocrity.
I'm sure if Quebeckers booted out the separatist government, got rid of bill101 and the OLF Quebec would rise to world class status once again as every one would want to be apart of its distinctive ambiance, boom times would once again bring Quebec to the forefront of at least Canada if not all of N.America but with that colossal separatist Albatross around its neck it aint going nowhere.
But alas Quebec is getting buried with this attitude. Heres your shovel,keep digging. Non, moi je parle francais

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Old 10-30-2012, 10:50 AM
 
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Talking to my wife about the issue and she says its not Anglophones coming to Montreal that is responsible for more English being spoken in Montreal but more Francophones speaking English
I don't believe that this is the case. The number of bilingual francophones is increasing but this does not mean the number of francophones who want to buy their groceries in English or a métro ticket in English is increasing. I don't know ANY francophones in Quebec who want to or would like to conduct these basic daily transactions in English.
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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I don't believe that this is the case. The number of bilingual francophones is increasing but this does not mean the number of francophones who want to buy their groceries in English or a métro ticket in English is increasing. I don't know ANY francophones in Quebec who want to or would like to conduct these basic daily transactions in English.
Considering theres 6 million francophones in Quebec its rather ambitious of you to think you can come to a consensus based solely on the ones you know.
As for more Francophones speaking English in Montreal? how do you explain the findings of the linguistic study?
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Old 10-30-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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Considering theres 6 million francophones in Quebec its rather ambitious of you to think you can come to a consensus based solely on the ones you know.?
I don't think what I said is a huge stretch. Do you need a scientific poll to know that few American Republicans are in favour of nationalizing all private industries in the United States? Or that the Montreal Canadiens are the most popular hockey team in the province of Quebec?

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As for more Francophones speaking English in Montreal? how do you explain the findings of the linguistic study?
The data is in the Canadian census release that was made last week. There are fewer unilingual francophones (in 2011 vs. 2006) whereas the number of unilingual anglophones went up by something like 33,000.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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As usual your analogies arent accurate as whether more francophones are or arent speaking more English isnt such a cut and dry statement as the Montreal Canadiens are the most popular hockey team in the province of Quebec?
Or Republicans dont like socialism.
So where did these 33000 unilingual Anglophones come from? And if there are fewer unilingual Francophones i'd assume there are more bilingual Francophones that presumably are speaking English at some point in their daily lives like when grocery shopping etc.

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Old 10-30-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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As usual your analogies arent accurate as whether more francophones are or arent speaking more English isnt such a cut and dry statement as the Montreal Canadiens are the most popular hockey team in the province of Quebec?
Or Republicans dont like socialism.
So where did these 33000 unilingual Anglophones come from?
I suppose they moved here from places outside Quebec.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:21 PM
 
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And if there are fewer unilingual Francophones i'd assume there are more bilingual Francophones that presumably are speaking English at some point in their daily lives like when grocery shopping etc.
Francophones who learn English don't generally do so so that they can carry out their everyday lives in their own city and province.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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Census data isnt my Forte but if you say thats what the Canada census bureau has revealed in its study then it doesnt leave room for debate about the issue.33000 new Anglos in Quebec it is then..
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:18 AM
 
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Re-reading the original post i see these figures are over a 5yr period making that influx of Anglos an easier to understand 6000 per year which i'm sure the majority comprise of students or work related transfers, be nice to stack that 33000 new Anglos up against how many Anglos left the province in those same 5 years.
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