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Old 02-10-2017, 05:02 PM
 
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Would you agree there was rather a lot of this in the films, almost to the point of a motif? I could be taking my 'disabled interpretation' of things (that I hope to build an academic career on in the next few years) a step too far, but it did happen quite a bit.
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Old 02-10-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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Yes, very much so. Rather more G rated than the Grail legend and Amfortas and Parzival. The wounding of the hero is a common motif in mythic quests, and don't forget that Joe Campbell was instrumental in the story construction of A New Hope.
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Old 02-10-2017, 10:51 PM
 
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Proud disciple of Campbell (through Vogler) right here .
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Old 02-11-2017, 11:54 AM
 
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Would you agree there was rather a lot of this in the films, almost to the point of a motif? I could be taking my 'disabled interpretation' of things (that I hope to build an academic career on in the next few years) a step too far, but it did happen quite a bit.
I don't know about "a lot," since it's really only a meaningful motif with two characters: Anakin/Vader and Luke. And it's really only in Luke's case that Lucas was playing with the "wounded hero / suffering servant" from Campbell.

Anakin/Vader's maiming is not the Hero bearing a wound. Vader's cybernetics are symbolic that his pride and anger and quest for power are robbing him of of his humanity. "He's more machine than man now."

Luke losing his hand is very much in keeping with the wounded hero myth. But it is also a warning: Don't become your daddy.
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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I don't know about "a lot," since it's really only a meaningful motif with two characters: Anakin/Vader and Luke. And it's really only in Luke's case that Lucas was playing with the "wounded hero / suffering servant" from Campbell.

Anakin/Vader's maiming is not the Hero bearing a wound. Vader's cybernetics are symbolic that his pride and anger and quest for power are robbing him of of his humanity. "He's more machine than man now."

Luke losing his hand is very much in keeping with the wounded hero myth. But it is also a warning: Don't become your daddy.
It also occurs with Saw Guerrera, but Saw represents the opposite side of the same coin as Vader.

I don't think it's a "motif" of the saga, but rather used as specific character themes, which is in agreement with you point.

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Old 02-14-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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It also occurs with Saw Guerrera.
It does. But he's such a minor character that I don't know if it helps establish a motif.
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Old 02-14-2017, 04:22 PM
 
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It does. But he's such a minor character that I don't know if it helps establish a motif.
Well, no, I'm not saying such a motif is being established at all, but that it occurs as individual character incidents.

I think, though, it's been established in what is now "legend" lore that it takes two natural hands to combat Sith lightning.
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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I think we're looking for symbols and themes that aren't really there.
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Old 03-10-2017, 08:40 PM
 
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Would you agree there was rather a lot of this in the films, almost to the point of a motif? I could be taking my 'disabled interpretation' of things (that I hope to build an academic career on in the next few years) a step too far, but it did happen quite a bit.
Actually, you're right, scribbles76.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akF2ljenqYE

And here's the reason why George Lucas said that this happened in his movies.

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VANITY FAIR: What is the meaning of all the hands, arms, legs and heads being chopped off in the films that have emerged from Lucas' brain?

GEORGE LUCAS: That's what happens when you play with swords
LOL

star wars - Symbolic meanings of everyone losing their hands? - Science Fiction & Fantasy Stack Exchange

Also, the beginning of this video shows that even though "The Phantom Menace" didn't have any limb severings or decapitations, someone did get chopped in half.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gto2KhP2ZaA
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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I would expect people battling with or against light sabers would lose limbs
if anything im surprised more jedi didn't have cybernetic arms
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