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Old 06-12-2023, 08:37 PM
 
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Seems like it used to be that films were re-made either to use a new star or do a better production overall, but now it's more to cater to special interests or changing views.

As it says, "Disney likes the cash."



The Man Reimagining Disney Classics for Today’s World
For more than a decade, Sean Bailey has run The Walt Disney Co.’s animated film “reimagining” factory with quiet efficiency and superhero-sized results. His live-action “Aladdin” collected $1.1 billion at the box office, while a photorealistic “The Lion King” took in $1.7 billion. A live-action “Beauty and the Beast” delivered $1.3 billion.
Disney likes the cash. The company also views Bailey’s remake operation as crucial to remaining relevant. Disney’s animated classics are treasured by fans, but most showcase ideas from another era, especially when it comes to gender roles: Be pretty, girls, and things might work out.
https://artdaily.com/news/158035/The...-today-s-world
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Old 06-13-2023, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Many would say that remaking the films to be more inclusive and respecting changing views IS making a better production overall. But I'd rather see Disney focus more on making films with new stories rather than just recycling old material. Why not tell stories no one else has told before? That would be very exciting!
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Old 06-13-2023, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Paradise
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Many would say that remaking the films to be more inclusive and respecting changing views IS making a better production overall. But I'd rather see Disney focus more on making films with new stories rather than just recycling old material. Why not tell stories no one else has told before? That would be very exciting!
I agree with that. I would LOVE to see Disney take cultural stories of heroes and heroines from around the world and make them into movies.

I also admit that the new "live action" movies can now take advantage of technological advances that can make the animated versions more REAL for kids of all ages. But it has to be done with respect to the story line. I don't care that Ariel was black, as long as they keep the story (mostly) the same. And I'll admit I haven't seen that one yet. Not sure I will 'cause the animated version is one of my favorites.

But, at the end of it all Disney is a business and will make money where it can.
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Old 06-13-2023, 01:16 PM
 
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If they want to tell a new story, then that's great. But recycling the same film with just different "actors" and/or CGI instead of animation doesn't take much imagination. I'd much rather see that effort into completely new story lines rather than what they did to Star Wars or the classics.
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Old 06-13-2023, 01:41 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Many would say that remaking the films to be more inclusive and respecting changing views IS making a better production overall. But I'd rather see Disney focus more on making films with new stories rather than just recycling old material. Why not tell stories no one else has told before? That would be very exciting!
Agree. It seems many people searching for validation or reasons to be offended refuse to take into consideration the point in time when "outdated" creative arts were made. Maybe they're just too lazy to spend the brainpower. Still, knee jerk reactions don't seem to require brains. IMHO, a less inclusive film can still present a social message precisely because it IS outdated. It may not be a message the filmmakers intended but that doesn't mean it can't present one in spite of itself. Thoughtful viewers should be able to apply context. Maybe I'm expecting too much. Granted, young kids may not be sophisticated enough to put an old classic in perspective, but isn't that a ready made teachable moment their parents or educators can make good use of? Guess not.

I watch a lot of classic films and am fully aware many of them don't reflect current attitudes and thought. Why would they? They were a product of their time. But if you erase or re-write history it can't teach, right? Just because it's outdated doesn't automatically mean a film doesn't have merit. Why do so many media consumers expect to have their paths made perfectly smooth? To be spoon fed everything?

I grew up watching Disney "classics". That doesn't mean I can't watch those same classics now but see them in a different light and I don't consider myself an uber-sophisticated viewer. I'd much rather watch attempts to present new stories or ideas than waste my time with the subtle-as-being-hit-on-the-head-with-a-skillet messaging in remakes! Especially when they try to "improve" every ordinary protagonist by giving them superhero-esque qualities. Gagworthy.

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Old 06-14-2023, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Maine
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I wish they would truly "reimagine" some of their classics. But they aren't. They are doing remakes with only minor cosmetic tweaks. It's all coming across as visual tone deafness.

There is nothing wrong with casting a black actress to play Ariel. I applaud the studio's efforts to be more inclusive. But doing everything else in the exact same setting and race-swapping other roles with no rhyme or reason? It's lazy.

But Disney doesn't seem interested in making great art anymore. They are just churning out product. And they'll keep doing it as long as you keep buying it.
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Old 06-14-2023, 08:16 AM
 
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I wish they would truly "reimagine" some of their classics. But they aren't. They are doing remakes with only minor cosmetic tweaks. It's all coming across as visual tone deafness.

There is nothing wrong with casting a black actress to play Ariel. I applaud the studio's efforts to be more inclusive. But doing everything else in the exact same setting and race-swapping other roles with no rhyme or reason? It's lazy.
Have you seen the movie? It's not the same setting.
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Old 06-14-2023, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Many would say that remaking the films to be more inclusive and respecting changing views IS making a better production overall. But I'd rather see Disney focus more on making films with new stories rather than just recycling old material. Why not tell stories no one else has told before? That would be very exciting!
I guess the question I would ask is: do people come to see the new versions of these films. Since the answer seems to be yes, I guess they are giving the public what it wants. So be it.
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Old 06-14-2023, 03:01 PM
 
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Have you seen the movie? It's not the same setting.
Maybe the current mermaid remake did a little bit more than the race/gender/orientation swap schtick but other remakes certainly didn't. It is still a remake of the original premise, just fancied up with more CGI. Disney isn't the only studio jumping on the inclusivity rehash bandwagon either.
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