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Crows get shot starlings get trapped and killed.
starlings,
Legal Status
Starlings are exempt from the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) of 1918, which was passed for the protection of migratory birds. Their nests, eggs, young, and/or adults may be removed or destroyed at any time. No permit is required.
For crows, we play a cd of their calls over a trucks stereo, doors open volume turned up.
Then we hide in the trucks topper or a blind, when they get close we jump out and shoot.
it's a great way to get ready for duck hunting,and we eliminate a few crows
Crows get shot starlings get trapped and killed.
starlings,
Legal Status
Starlings are exempt from the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) of 1918, which was passed for the protection of migratory birds. Their nests, eggs, young, and/or adults may be removed or destroyed at any time. No permit is required.
For crows, we play a cd of their calls over a trucks stereo, doors open volume turned up.
Then we hide in the trucks topper or a blind, when they get close we jump out and shoot.
it's a great way to get ready for duck hunting,and we eliminate a few crows
What makes you say that?
One is an invasive species that is causing millions in damage each year and it is competing with natural species for food and nesting space.
The other causes millions in crop damage every year.
We are not doing anything that is illegal.
Crows may be taken outside the open season during hunting hours, in compliance with federal regulations, if these birds are causing a nuisance or creating a health hazard.
In MN
No license is required to hunt crows. They may be taken by legal firearms (shotgun not larger than 10 gauge, rifle, or handgun), bow and arrow or by falconry. There are no daily or possession limits, and shooting hours are 1/2 hr before sunrise to sunset. Crows are protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act but can be taken out of season, without a permit, when caught in the act of committing, or about to commit, damage to ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops, livestock or wildlife. Lethal means of control can also be undertaken when they are concentrated in large numbers, such as communal roosts, and subsequently constitute a nuisance (e.g. noise) or pose a threat to human health, as would be the case when accumulations of fecal materials pose a sanitation risk. Legal methods of take are the same as during hunting seasons. http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/livingwit...ows/index.html
Starlings are very aggressive competitors and are relentless in usurping nesting cavities that would otherwise be perfect for bluebirds, flickers, tree swallows, great crested flycatchers and other species. Groups like the Friends of Short Hills Park have done a lot of work to build nesting boxes that they reserve for the use of bluebirds only.
Numbers of starlings in southern Ontario are artificially high during the winter when large roosts form as few of these birds stay in the far north through the winter. In number of individuals spotted during the Audubon Christmas bird count, European starlings consistently rank in first place. There is one large winter roost in the Niagara peninsula estimated by experienced birders to have between 100,000 and 250,000 birds. It is very difficult to estimate numbers in such a flock as the birds are very fast flyers and many other species such as blackbirds, grackles, meadowlarks and house finches roost with the starlings. As impressive a sight as that many birds can be, this species can flock together or form roosts of 10 million individuals. Unfortunately, when there are extremely large concentrations of starlings and it seems like a good place and time to destroy them.
They are classified as ‘pests’, starlings also eat livestock rations and food found in garbage. They like the high-protein supplements frequently added to livestock rations. Because of their migratory habits, there is also concern that starlings may be responsible for transmitting disease from one livestock facility to another.
I prefer bluebirds to starlings
Last edited by snofarmer; 12-05-2012 at 11:09 AM..
Because something is legal, doesn't necessarily make it right. If you were the farmer whose crops were being damaged, or if a thousand roosting crows were leaving foot-thick piles of excrement on your lawn - then yeah - something would have to be done.
But your description sounded a lot more like a couple of good ol' boys having a bit of "sport" by luring animals you have no intention of eating just to kill them.
THAT is disgusting.
Crows have extended family relationships. Not just parents are involved in the raising of the young. "Aunts and uncles" take their turn minding and teaching them. Kill one and the ripple effect is felt among many. Kill many...and the math just gets sadder.
You haven't spent any time on a farm or ranch have you?
You have a very charmed view.
The crows get tilled in, their use fertilizer.
crows and starlings all add cost to the bottom line these costs are pased on to you as higher food prices.
let alone their determinant effect on the rest of the animals and birds.
It is the damn wrens that poke holes in bluebird eggs. Those wrens are insect eating machines but are hell on bluebirds.
Oh, the phrase, 'straight as the crow flies', that is not based on fact and is a figurative expression. Never saw a crow fly in a straight line. These guys are forever on the prowl and zig zag around looking for opportunities.
Black vultures have extended their range further north and along with brown vultures give the crows a run for their money. The crows move on to dumps and garbage cans. Those black vultures are known for not waiting for their food to be pronounced dead before they begin dining.
'Crows have extended family relationships. Not just parents are involved in the raising of the young. "Aunts and uncles" take their turn minding and teaching them. Kill one and the ripple effect is felt among many. Kill many...and the math just gets sadder.' Just what do all the aunts and uncles feel about a family member that goes missing ?
Do they distinguish between a firearm death vs a fatal swat by a hawk?
All life must be respected but there is a predator prey realtionship in which we are all involved. Animal populations have evolved to deal with such loss, the species being the prime concern not individuals. The more prolific a species birthrate the greater the expected death rate of individuals. The crows will be just fine. Nothing unethical about shooting legal game animals.
If ethics and morality were a concern with the general population none of the politicians in Washington today would be there after the last election. If ethics and morality were a concern, the same empathy and outrage for a victims family would be applied to the high murder rates in places like Chicago and Newark and the middle east. Want to shoot some crows or starlings or red squirrels, go for it.
Makes you wonder what nature has in store for us as we can mate and produce offspring at anytime during the year. Do you suppose we are so collectively stupid nature gives us a yearlong mating season for recruitment?
I'm well aware of the predator/prey relationship. Everyone and everything is one, or the other, or both. And I come from a family of farmers, on both sides.
I'm not anti-hunting and I eat meat, including (occasionally) game. I shot groundhogs on my grandfather's farm because cows and horses would occasionally injure themselves when stepping in the holes.
I am against wanton killing for sport. And snofarmer's post about killing crows was definitely indicative of a couple of guys warming up for "real" hunting by luring and killing a few crows.
Oh, and I certainly am not trying to humanize crows.
yup. Just like shooting gophers,ground squirrels groundhogs from the top of the shed is a good way to sight in the rifle and keep in practice for hunting.
I enjoy(ed) varmint hunting on the farm and when we were kids we got paid for it. $0.05 to $1.00 for a predator.
You see when your shooting those groundhogs your becoming more proficient,
you can take that skill and use it to hunt for food.
So we combine two activities. Two birds one stone.
You can have your attitude towards it or mine the result is the same, the groundhog is dead.
A crow used to land on a fence post next to my house. One day i put some dog food on the post and the crow never came back again. Why i have no idea.
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and we eliminate a few crows
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