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I can't forget the case of some teenagers who broke into a random house in Mont Vernon to slaughter whoever they founds inside with knives and a machete. That was back in 2009, but I'll never forget the facts of that case as long as I live. This wasn't a fight, it wasn't a robbery gone bad or a drug deal gone bad, they weren't angry at the people, they had never seen or even heard of them before - it was just an absolutely brutal butchering of two innocent people, purely for fun, by these boys. After it was done, the only thing they were sorry about was that somehow they hadn't stabbed the 11yo enough and she managed to play dead and live and help convict them.
They didn't shoot them at a distance, this was almost hand-to-hand, inflicting many, many, many grievous injuries on them by hand - the sheer savagery and the mercilessness in these boys, it's impossible for me to understand, but deeply disturbing.
I can't forget the case of some teenagers who broke into a random house in Mont Vernon to slaughter whoever they founds inside with knives and a machete. That was back in 2009, but I'll never forget the facts of that case as long as I live. This wasn't a fight, it wasn't a robbery gone bad or a drug deal gone bad, they weren't angry at the people, they had never seen or even heard of them before - it was just an absolutely brutal butchering of two innocent people, purely for fun, by these boys. After it was done, the only thing they were sorry about was that somehow they hadn't stabbed the 11yo enough and she managed to play dead and live and help convict them.
They didn't shoot them at a distance, this was almost hand-to-hand, inflicting many, many, many grievous injuries on them by hand - the sheer savagery and the mercilessness in these boys, it's impossible for me to understand, but deeply disturbing.
The same thing happened in Hanover in 2002. Two teenage boys armed with commando knives walked up to a random professor's house, posing as students, talked their way inside, and killed the professor and his wife because they wanted some money. No remorse for the killing at the sentencing. https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/05/u...rofessors.html
Violence by unhappy, selfish teenage boys is not a gun problem. I'm going to make a wild guess that this Northfield kid would just have used a different weapon if the gun wasn't handy.
The same thing happened in Hanover in 2002. Two teenage boys armed with commando knives walked up to a random professor's house, posing as students, talked their way inside, and killed the professor and his wife because they wanted some money. No remorse for the killing at the sentencing. https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/05/u...rofessors.html
Violence by unhappy, selfish teenage boys is not a gun problem. I'm going to make a wild guess that this Northfield kid would just have used a different weapon if the gun wasn't handy.
As I was reading Outdoor Lover's comment, I immediately thought of the professor story. I can't read the article as there's a pay wall, but that crime always stuck with me. I thought I remember hearing they chose the professor's house because it was remote—perhaps even down a long driveway so they could easily get in and out without being seen by neighbors?
Serial killer Israel Keyes also chose to randomly murder a couple in the Burlington, Vermont area because they happened to live in a house with an attached garage that would provide cover. I think he watched them for a day or two and also chose them because they didn't have any dogs that would bark loudly or attack him. Really horrific stuff.
As I was reading Outdoor Lover's comment, I immediately thought of the professor story. I can't read the article as there's a pay wall, but that crime always stuck with me. I thought I remember hearing they chose the professor's house because it was remote—perhaps even down a long driveway so they could easily get in and out without being seen by neighbors?
Serial killer Israel Keyes also chose to randomly murder a couple in the Burlington, Vermont area because they happened to live in a house with an attached garage that would provide cover. I think he watched them for a day or two and also chose them because they didn't have any dogs that would bark loudly or attack him. Really horrific stuff.
They chose the professor's house because they'd failed to find anyone at home at 2 previous places and they thought this house looked expensive.
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The scheme began because the two ''were bored with Chelsea,'' Ms. Ayotte said, and began trying to find a way to go to Australia. They did research on the Internet, she said, and decided they needed $10,000 to cover their costs.
The two thought at first about stealing cars, Ms. Ayotte said, then about identity theft and credit card fraud, and in the summer of 2000 actually stole mail from some houses. But they got no money so Mr. Tulloch came up ''with the idea of jumping people and killing them'' to steal their bank cards.
They turned to Hanover because they decided that ''people in Hanover have a lot of money.'' After two failed efforts they approached the Zantops' house ''because it looked expensive,'' Ms. Ayotte said.
The teenagers had recently purchased two military-style commando knives over the Internet, which they had concealed in a backpack, and when they knocked on the Zantops' door, they unwittingly used the perfect ruse -- they pretended to be students doing an environmental survey. Half Zantop was a professor of earth sciences and took pride in welcoming students into his home. His wife, the chairman of Dartmouth's German studies department was also known for her hospitality.
Mr. Zantop answered Mr. Tulloch's questions and then looked in his wallet to find a phone number of a friend who could help the pair. It was then that Mr. Tulloch saw the wallet was full of money, and he took out one of the knives and began slicing Mr. Zantop in the face.
Mrs. Zantop heard her husband's screams and came running from the kitchen, Ms. Ayotte said. But Mr. Tulloch ordered Mr. Parker to ''slit her throat,'' which he did, while Mr. Tulloch sliced Mr. Zantop's throat.
Police logs obtained by News 9 say a Northfield father called police telling them he was concerned for his family's safety days before his wife and their two children were found dead inside their home.
Police logs show on July 22 around 7 p.m., Sean Sweeney called Northfield police about someone making strange comments around the house. Some information was withheld in the police logs, but the description of the call stated "He found a weapon in the garage and several others around the woods. [Redacted] has a past of [redacted] as well as [redacted] and Sean is worried for his toddler’s safety with weapons and [redacted].
The police log goes on to say, "I spoke to [redacted]. He was calm and sitting at the table, I spoke with him and he stated he would change his behavior." The police officer who took that call wrote in the log that he told Sean to call back at any time if he feels unsafe.
gailjnh,
Thank you for sharing—I hadn’t seen this yet. Terrible. I wonder how this juvenile was connected to the family? Too bad the person who did it will be tried as a juvenile. Doesn’t that usually mean a lighter sentence?
It's hard to imagine how 3 counts of homicide could result in any kind of a lighter sentence...
It's hard to imagine how 3 counts of homicide could result in any kind of a lighter sentence...
I'm wondering what the motive was.
Did you even read the rest of the thread? The murderer was the teenaged brother of the father, Sean. He had a history of schizophrenia. Given that, and the juvenile considerations already discussed, I doubt he'll be convicted of homicide. It seems likely he be sent to a psych facility. The police seem to have a lot to answer for. Did they confiscate any of the guns? Run fingerprints? ID the owner? Determine if they were owned legally?
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