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Im just upset that the Voorhees town Center or Garden State is not nearly good enough. Garden State shows its back to pt and is just a glorified strip mall. Voorhees town center also turns its back to the street, the library, and even though PATCO runs right by the dead end of the mall there is not station. Both were poorly executed and could have been some much better for a live/work/play type environment that many young people want now a days.
PS PATCO has lousy headways on weekends and evening 20-25 min on SAT and SUN... constant track work.
That's the part I question. I am not that old so was one of those "many young people" recently and know even more young people through work. I don't hear this constant lament of wanting a "live/work/play" environment. I just think you have certain ideas about how you think things should be developed and are projecting that.
That's the part I question. I am not that old so was one of those "many young people" recently and know even more young people through work. I don't hear this constant lament of wanting a "live/work/play" environment. I just think you have certain ideas about how you think things should be developed and are projecting that.
There are a good number of young people who do want that type of development. My friends and I have commented on many occasions about the lack of options in South Jersey. The Garden State Park development really had potential but as the previous poster mentioned, it is pretty much a typical big box shopping center.
it is pretty much a typical big box shopping center
I've never understood the urbanists' distaste for shopping centers. If I can get quality items at a decent price, what difference does it make if a store is located in a mall or a storefront on south street? The same goes for restaurants. At a chain, I at least know what I'm going to get for the price. Too many times I've tried a local downtown establishment only to be horribly disappointed.
I've never understood the urbanists' distaste for shopping centers. If I can get quality items at a decent price, what difference does it make if a store is located in a mall or a storefront on south street? The same goes for restaurants. At a chain, I at least know what I'm going to get for the price. Too many times I've tried a local downtown establishment only to be horribly disappointed.
There are a good number of young people who do want that type of development. My friends and I have commented on many occasions about the lack of options in South Jersey. The Garden State Park development really had potential but as the previous poster mentioned, it is pretty much a typical big box shopping center.
Maybe, I guess I never got the whole "urbanist" thing.
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I've never understood the urbanists' distaste for shopping centers. If I can get quality items at a decent price, what difference does it make if a store is located in a mall or a storefront on south street? The same goes for restaurants. At a chain, I at least know what I'm going to get for the price. Too many times I've tried a local downtown establishment only to be horribly disappointed.
Agreed, I don't understand the hate for shopping centers. This whole concept of "mixed use" as the ideal where you have residential interspersed with commerical and recreational seems odd to me. I get it in a large development, having a "village center" kind of thing (my area is like that), but I don't get the "we all need to live in apartments above stores and bars" thing.
I've never understood the urbanists' distaste for shopping centers. If I can get quality items at a decent price, what difference does it make if a store is located in a mall or a storefront on south street? The same goes for restaurants. At a chain, I at least know what I'm going to get for the price. Too many times I've tried a local downtown establishment only to be horribly disappointed.
There's nothing wrong with shopping centers. However, we already have a plethora of them in SJ. It would have been nice to have something different. Something like Reston Town Center in Northern VA would have been perfect for the Garden State Park parcel IMO. It could have been a real focal point for Cherry Hill.
I'm pretty sure sex is what makes Philly so popular, its like one gigantic meat market... lol.
Im also sorry you find Philly depressing. Is it just the nightlife or something else?
Its the day life too. Cities in general depress me. People are out of their mind busy in cities. People I know moved to cities, I'm happy they're gone and I'm still here.
PATCO has long headways late at night... not so great.
It's one of 4 subways in the entire country that runs 24/7. Even if you have to wait half an hour at 2am, that's still awesome. Even the PA suburbs don't have that option.
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Im just upset that the Voorhees town Center or Garden State is not nearly good enough. Garden State shows its back to pt and is just a glorified strip mall. Voorhees town center also turns its back to the street, the library, and even though PATCO runs right by the dead end of the mall there is not station. Both were poorly executed and could have been some much better for a live/work/play type environment that many young people want now a days.
Agreed agreed agreed. The Philly area has tons of great main street type towns but I would love to see larger DC-area style town centers as well.
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