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that is patently false. and yes, i'm at the intersection A LOT. there's a reason 4/17 makes the list of one of the most dangerous merges in the COUNTRY.
What's patently false is the notion that "4/17 makes the list of one of the most dangerous merges in the COUNTRY". That hasn't been true ever since they fixed that intersection years ago. There are other intersections in Bergen that make the list (like Fort Lee, going to the GW Bridge) but not the 4/17 interchange.
And no matter how much you swear that the 80/287 interchange is fine that never makes it any faster for me to get through it when there is an accident or some sort of police activity or whatever other nonsense that jams it up and makes everyone late for work. It's as bad as Atlanta at times, the only way to avoid it is to get to work super early. My siblings both deal with that interchange, too - my sister daily deals with it, she avoids it by leaving her home in Bergen County at 6 AM so that she's through there by 6:20, 6:25. She gets to work by 7 AM just to avoid that intersection. It's horrible.
exactly.. this goes back to bcj admitting he has a bias because he doesn't know back roads around it. 287/80 is "bad" at rush hour, but not horrendous.
Oh, it's horrendous. Leaving is worse than going. And while I admitted a bias, it was due to my experience with that intersection, not because "[I don't] know back roads around it"... I actually do know the back roads around it, but they're of little to no use because when you get jacked on and around that intersection the exits and shoulders are equally jacked, as are the side roads. I commuted to Madison and Whippany too many times and I know how horrendous that entire area is for commuters. It's a living hell.
but I have relatives in Alpine and my wife has relatives in Englewood Cliffs so we spend a decent amount of time in those areas. Short Hills and Essex Fells are every bit as nice. Also, the other towns in west essex have very wealthy areas that are comparable. North Caldwell, Montclair, West Orange, South orange, and Livingston all have areas with multimillion dollar homes on at least an acre, if not more, with trees and hills and all that good stuff. Livingston and Milburn usually have people on the Forbes list, why would they choose Essex When Bergen is so much better? A house in Alpine would be a drop in the bucket to guys like David Tepper, David Mandelbaum or the Kushner family.
A lot of good it does the average home buyer that multi-millionaires have homes in West Orange (or Alpine or anywhere else for that matter). For the very wealthy, anywhere they choose to live will be nice and comfortable.
The biggest difference between those in West Orange and those in Alpine is that those in West Orange are within easier access to the worst slums and ghettos in NJ. I'm sure thieves and other criminals prefer the easy access to West Orange...
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Towns in Essex are a little more Socially/financially integrated than Bergen, and that is a good thing. Obviously, the billionaires who live here, think it is a good thing too.
Right, the billionaires who live in Essex county are "socially/financially integrated" with their slum-dwelling neighbors... LMAO
Your sort of right...Orange has Seven Oaks but it's not what it used to be...East Orange "affluent area is a small area near the Bloomfield/Glen Ridge border but has slid further than Seven Oaks.
Is this the area by Soverel Park? Googlemaps won't let me get closer than Brighton Ave or Springdale Ave. Really nice big old houses, then again this is what portions of EO look like from the Parkway. Such a shame.
7 Oaks looks beautiful still, but I guess neither places could really hold up too well, and property values will thus fall, if they're pretty much surrounded by ghetto.
Is this the area by Soverel Park? Googlemaps won't let me get closer than Brighton Ave or Springdale Ave. Really nice big old houses, then again this is what portions of EO look like from the Parkway. Such a shame.
7 Oaks looks beautiful still, but I guess neither places could really hold up too well, and property values will thus fall, if they're pretty much surrounded by ghetto.
A little further north of Soverel Park, across Dodd Street. It's like right by the Montclair, Orange, Glen-Ridge border.
I remembered another section as I was cutting through East Orange to avoid taking 280 West home on Friday....the president's section just east of the parkway and north of Renshaw Avenue, by the Bloomfield border. Really beautiful and well kept homes there.
Ouch, that hurts. I dont know how I am going to show my face around here.
It seems from your posts that you know even less about Essex than I do about Bergen. Only, I admit to the fact instead of pretending to know what I am talking about.
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A lot of good it does the average home buyer that multi-millionaires have homes in West Orange (or Alpine or anywhere else for that matter). For the very wealthy, anywhere they choose to live will be nice and comfortable.
The biggest difference between those in West Orange and those in Alpine is that those in West Orange are within easier access to the worst slums and ghettos in NJ. I'm sure thieves and other criminals prefer the easy access to West Orange...
Right, the billionaires who live in Essex county are "socially/financially integrated" with their slum-dwelling neighbors... LMAO
You really miss the point. The dichotomy is not all you are making it out to be. There are no billionaires with slum "neighbors". There are a whole lot of middle class and upper middle class in between. The point being, if you had a billion dollars and could live anywhere, would you live somewhere where you felt like you had slum neighbors? When you are in a West Essex town, you dont feel in danger at all. You dont feel like the slums are encroaching on your neighborhood. Most of us never even SEE the bad neighborhoods at all. If someone didn't know the area, and just believed the nonsense that you were typing, they would get a very FALSE impression of Essex County. You tend to exagerate both the negatives of Essex and the positives of Bergen. I'm not saying one shouldn't have pride in their county, but remember, others have pride in their own county, and it is bad form to dis someone else's home.
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The biggest difference between those in West Orange and those in Alpine is that those in West Orange are within easier access to the worst slums and ghettos in NJ. I'm sure thieves and other criminals prefer the easy access to West Orange...
You obviously don't know too much about West Orange. I live in WO and the crime rate is extremely low here (less than half the national average). You make it sound like thieves from East Orange or Newark are just rolling into town to commit crimes. You assume there would be spillover of crime from nearby cities, but that's perception and not reality.
West Orange has very low crime for a town of its size, population on location. But there is more crime here than Alpine lol, Alpine may have the lowest rate in the country.
The differences of the counties is like Apples and Orange. Assuming you limit it to Western Essex taking off the eastern cities its a matter of preference to what you prefer.
I don't think I agree, I'ved lived in both the latter cities and work in the former. Teaneck is more like West Orange than Belleville in my opinion.
Fair enough (I suppose everyone's entitled to theirs). However, after working w/ HomeSec out of the Teaneck armory, I would definitely put Teaneck in the same group w/ Belleville/Bloomfield. Hell, with that said, there are parts of WO that are like them both anyway.
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