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Old 08-06-2011, 08:56 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The huge increase in the criminal population has mitigated the original intent of justice, crime and punishment.

The sheer number of chronic criminals, fostered by prison associations and generations of families that accept criminal acts as normal behavior have relegated the current law and order process to the museum archives.

High crime has existed in these cities for decades and generations despite the mountain of taxpayer money wasted by democratic vote pandering and feel good solutions offered by government granted social scientists.

Camden's scorch and burn practice of destroying abandoned houses to eliminate drug factories is a start.

A large portion of Trenton's population has capitulated to the Bloods gang and many are 'sympathetic' for fear of retaliation. Be proud NJ's state captial is an island in the fetid pool of primodial oooze that give rise to eternal crime and criminals.

The effectiveness of our legislative representatives is nil and yet NJ voters accept failure as a given. Money has become the substitute for serious efforts to eliminate crime and ease of the guilt of the frustrated public and politicians. Now pols can validate theircrime fighting efforts by showing a chart of money spent. An infinite linear relationship between increased criminal activity and increased money spent demonstrates the futility of current efforts to reclaim NJ's cities.

Political spin meisters who market their favorite candidates and support feel good legislation are a large part of the problem. Case in point, the writer who hailed the efforts of Corey Booker when one March went by without a murder in a string of muders that traced back about 40 years. Nonsense like that is an insult to CB and NJ's taxpayers. This shows people are using the crime ridden cities and their many victims to foster political agendas and personal profit.

NJ will forever be the laughing stock of the world as the Bloods co-mingle with legislators in the very core of NJ's gold dome.

Maybe if we speak nice to the ACLU, find a substitute for money and drop the politically correct nonsense that prevents serious discussion, some headway might be realized.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:38 PM
 
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The main problem is that when the people get out of jail, they return to the same familiar neighborhoods with the same familiar connections. As long as the crime is potentially worth it (how many times has a high bail been set, and the people are able to pay), then they will keep acting, no matter how long they have been imprisoned. The key is educating early and often. Plus taking away potential clients (involving drug cases).
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Old 08-07-2011, 07:32 AM
 
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you take out the bad apples so they dont bother the good apples. the decent people shouldnt have to be burdened by the offspring of people who had no business reproducing in the first place.
Exactly. The good apples are all that matter. And they need protection and isolation from the bad apples who have served notice on society. Violent offenders need long hard time. And if they become repeat offenders, lock them up and throw away the key. Many of the other bad apples will notice. It's human nature and common sense.
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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Just saw this video from Philly Video: Gunmen Open Fire at Bus in Philadelphia (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/video-gunmen-open-fire-at-bus-in-philadelphia-20110804 - broken link)

Unbelievable.
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:37 PM
 
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Exactly. The good apples are all that matter. And they need protection and isolation from the bad apples who have served notice on society. Violent offenders need long hard time. And if they become repeat offenders, lock them up and throw away the key. Many of the other bad apples will notice. It's human nature and common sense.
That's just the thing: if you impose harsh sentences on those few violent offenders you manage to nail down, the other bad apples WON'T notice. They'll assume it won't happen to them. If, on the other hand, you actually manage to catch and punish with a significant sentence (not necessarily "long hard time", but more than a slap on a wrist) a large proportion of offenses, the bad apples WILL notice.
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:06 AM
 
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That's just the thing: if you impose harsh sentences on those few violent offenders you manage to nail down, the other bad apples WON'T notice. They'll assume it won't happen to them. If, on the other hand, you actually manage to catch and punish with a significant sentence (not necessarily "long hard time", but more than a slap on a wrist) a large proportion of offenses, the bad apples WILL notice.
So you advocating a stronger police effort to catch more of them? I'm in.
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Old 08-09-2011, 09:30 PM
 
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So you advocating a stronger police effort to catch more of them? I'm in.
Problem is I think most of the police are out there committing crimes.
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Old 08-10-2011, 04:57 PM
 
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The towns are weak and too scared to deal with crime pathetic and sad. It's only a metter of time before someone retaliates and desides to gun down one of these fools in self defense. If the police won't do anything the ppl will eventually leave or become violent themselves.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:16 PM
 
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Our cities are in crisis, and it’s time for the governor, state attorney general, mayors and legislators to address it — with words and action and money. With urgency.
N.J. must take stand against rising city violence | NJ.com
Actually the crime rate and violent crime rate have been decreasing in NJ for years and are about half of what they were in the 80s.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/njcrimn.htm

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Old 08-10-2011, 07:35 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The towns are weak and too scared to deal with crime pathetic and sad. It's only a metter of time before someone retaliates and desides to gun down one of these fools in self defense. If the police won't do anything the ppl will eventually leave or become violent themselves.
if someone breaks into your home, its your duty as a citizen to have a gun ready to take care of the problem.
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