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Old 02-07-2012, 05:57 AM
 
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For some it is a horror. A 14 year old friend was raped had a child and put the child up for adoption before abortion was available. It was a horror for her then and it changed her life. Every time this bill comes up she is stressed. What good would it do for that adoptee to know her father was a rapist?
If that was your daughter would you feel the same.
(It's because of people like you who think it's ok for and allow privacy to be taken away at any time that privacy guarantees don't mean anything anymore. )
Not against opening birth certificates for mutual consent.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:16 AM
 
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I have to agree with Tarp. There are many companies/agencies or in plain english, baby brokers that prey on young girls in trouble. I've seen the websites (although they weren't based in NJ).

It's not a good thing.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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So a child might be able to see his own birth certificate, and know who his parents were. The horror, the horror.
why would someone say something as silly as this? just because something isnt "the horror, the horror" doesnt mean it should be allowed.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:59 AM
 
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We shouldn't be taking choices away from woman. Closed adoption is a viable choice.
As an adoptee, I disagree. I've suffered from the rejection of my adoption all my life, because my birth parents didn't have the nerve to face me and explain why my birth was inconvenient to their plans. I suppose I should thank them, because my life is an example of personal responsibility, but frankly I think this would've been a better lesson learned from their example.

Even criminals have the right to stand and face their accusers and give their plea. While it may be found lacking in the face of their crimes, at least there is closure. We that were adopted have none.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:10 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I've suffered from the rejection of my adoption all my life, because my birth parents didn't have the nerve to face me and explain why my birth was inconvenient to their plans.
why should they feel obligated to explain anything to you?

everyone wants to have their sad story it seems. "ohhh i have suffered terribly as an adoptee, i cant even face my accuser! woe, is me!"
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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Wow...what a completely insensitive and inappropriate response to that post.

I am not saying that every adoptee feels this way, but people are entitled to their feelings and opinions without someone making completely childish comments like yours.

Maybe you should take a look in the mirror and think long and hard about the kind of person you are or you have become...because clearly your parents did not teach you any manners.

There is a word for people like you that I am not able to say hear but it starts with a C and ends with a t....C U Next Tuesday!

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why should they feel obligated to explain anything to you?

everyone wants to have their sad story it seems. "ohhh i have suffered terribly as an adoptee, i cant even face my accuser! woe, is me!"
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:28 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Wow...what a completely insensitive and inappropriate response to that post.

I am not saying that every adoptee feels this way, but people are entitled to their feelings and opinions without someone making completely childish comments like yours.

Maybe you should take a look in the mirror and think long and hard about the kind of person you are or you have become...because clearly your parents did not teach you any manners.

There is a word for people like you that I am not able to say hear but it starts with a C and ends with a t....C U Next Tuesday!
insensitive regarding what? what exactly is that person's tragedy? the birth parents didnt want to raise her (for whatever reason) so she was adopted. she wants sympathy for her terrible tragedy, but she deserves no sympathy because there was no tragedy. now she wishes to use her phony sorrow to abuse the privacy of others.

anyway, thanks for the lecture. im not sure what word you are trying to come up with at the end of your post, im sure its something very mature.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: NJ
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As an adoptee, I disagree. I've suffered from the rejection of my adoption all my life, because my birth parents didn't have the nerve to face me and explain why my birth was inconvenient to their plans. I suppose I should thank them, because my life is an example of personal responsibility, but frankly I think this would've been a better lesson learned from their example.

Even criminals have the right to stand and face their accusers and give their plea. While it may be found lacking in the face of their crimes, at least there is closure. We that were adopted have none.
And if knowing this information would be made available to the child pushed them towards abortion instead? What are your thoughts on that?
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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What you think is not a tragedy is clearly a tragedy for the poster and it is not your place to tell someone how he or she should feel about a situation in their life.

A tragedy happening to you might seem relatively harmless to me...but it is no less a tragedy in your own head and I would have no right to look at you and tell you that your are wrong to have feelings and stop whining. It is called compassion and empathy which are clearly 2 things that you do not understand or apply in your daily life.

Are you adopted? Do you know how you might feel growing up thinking that your parents did not want you?

I am not and I would not assume that I would not care knowing my whole life that I was "given up" I have 2 cousins that were adopted. 1 is completely content not knowing anything about where he was born and who his parents were, the other is yearning to know his birth parents and know as much as possible about the country whwere he was born...neither is wrong in their feelings and both are entitled to handle it they way they see fit.

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insensitive regarding what? what exactly is that person's tragedy? the birth parents didnt want to raise her (for whatever reason) so she was adopted. she wants sympathy for her terrible tragedy, but she deserves no sympathy because there was no tragedy. now she wishes to use her phony sorrow to abuse the privacy of others.

anyway, thanks for the lecture. im not sure what word you are trying to come up with at the end of your post, im sure its something very mature.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:38 AM
 
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Knowing this information is not going to push anyone towards abortion. People who choose adoption will still choose adoption and people who choose abortion will still abort.

It is none of your business what 1 person chooses to do over another.

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And if knowing this information would be made available to the child pushed them towards abortion instead? What are your thoughts on that?
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