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Old 05-15-2013, 02:17 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Your facts are incorrect as usual. The economy was sunk by a combination of irresponsible individuals who borrowed in excess of their ability to repay, and government involvement creating artifical market conditions that could not possibly be supported or continued.

Which brings us back to car inspections and on topic. Government inspections should be abolished. It is in an individual's private best interest to drive a car that is safe and not about to fall apart. I will decide when my car is safe and when it is not.

The argument about old jalopies falling apart and causing accidents is garbage. It never happens, and even if it did happen once in a great while, that is fine. Better than abridging individual liberty and creating a nanny state where humorless state automatons instruct us on when and how to take care of our personal property.
an accident never happens due to bald tires?

an accident never happens due to brakes that obviously should have been replaced but weren't?

an accident never happens due to suspension that needs to be replaced, but someone and their 'individual liberties' decides to save money instead?

Hate to break it to you, but driving on public roads is a privilege, not a right. And to enjoy that privilege, you need to keep your car up to certain standards, whether you like it or not. And that has nothing to do with your liberties, unless you want to buy some real estate and pave your own private network of roads.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:18 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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From all of the data I have seen the "safety/mechanical inspections" were pretty a much joke to begin with and almost no one failed for them and the most common failure by far was for something like an inoperative brake light from a blown bulb. Getting rid of the mechanical inspections was fine.

Emissions is not something that necessarily even really needs to be tested for on most modern cars as any issue with the emissions will immediately trigger a CEL and may cause a "limp mode" situation depending on the problem. This is something that will be self-policed by people. You will of course have the folks who will rip off their cats and drive around with open pipes, but having been one of them, you can rig the car to pass emissions anyway or just buy a sticker.

I wouldn't push the inspections out to private garages because there is no way they can do it in a cost-effective manner and they will be looking for things to "repair". So, my idea would be to get rid of them all together. Issue the police department a small handheld OBDII scanner that they can pop in the diagnostic port. If you get caught in one of the inspection checkpoints they run, they can pop on the scanner and in less than 30 seconds get a green light for good or red light for bad. If you get red lighted, you get a ticket for failure to maintain. That possibility will provide the impetus for people to keep the cars maintained.
I could support this. But then people will just b&m about the cops for another reason. lol
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:45 PM
 
Location: NJ
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an accident never happens due to bald tires?

an accident never happens due to brakes that obviously should have been replaced but weren't?

an accident never happens due to suspension that needs to be replaced, but someone and their 'individual liberties' decides to save money instead?

Hate to break it to you, but driving on public roads is a privilege, not a right. And to enjoy that privilege, you need to keep your car up to certain standards, whether you like it or not. And that has nothing to do with your liberties, unless you want to buy some real estate and pave your own private network of roads.
you people need to stop responding to him - i have him blocked but when you reply I see the drivel.
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Old 05-15-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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an accident never happens due to bald tires?

an accident never happens due to brakes that obviously should have been replaced but weren't?

an accident never happens due to suspension that needs to be replaced, but someone and their 'individual liberties' decides to save money instead?

Hate to break it to you, but driving on public roads is a privilege, not a right. And to enjoy that privilege, you need to keep your car up to certain standards, whether you like it or not. And that has nothing to do with your liberties, unless you want to buy some real estate and pave your own private network of roads.
Correct. Almost never. 99.9% of all accidents are due to bad driving, not mechanical problems.

And driving is NOT a privilege, it is a right that we have allowed the statists to falsely repackage as a privilege. Driving is motion and motion is not a privilege of the state. It is a right.
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Old 05-15-2013, 03:44 PM
 
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Your facts are incorrect as usual. The economy was sunk by a combination of irresponsible individuals who borrowed in excess of their ability to repay, and government involvement creating artifical market conditions that could not possibly be supported
So the underwriters are no longer allowing NINJA & liar loans? Why would they have allowed them in the 1st.place if your industry back then was legit?

And did you ever wonder why home values were going gangbusters in the 2000s, far higher than in any comparable time frame? Or did you just chalk it up to your awesome Phil Dunphy-like sales skills?
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Old 05-15-2013, 03:46 PM
 
Location: High Bridge, NJ
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you people need to stop responding to him - i have him blocked but when you reply I see the drivel.
Paolella at his computer:

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Old 05-16-2013, 05:32 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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my dad pays $32 for a state inspection in PA, and that's increased since they changed something a few years ago. I'm not sure where you went that charged $75, but you were getting ripped off (wait - mechanics rip people off?! that doesn't happen).

but i agree, there is no issue with the NJ inspections as they stand. our registration fee presumably pays for them, among other things, so unless the state is losing money on it (which they could simply increase our fee), why change it?

and it's not about a car having the diagnostic equipment built in, it's about idiots who ignore that stuff and drive around in unsafe vehicles. as for PA, insurance rates sort of tell you that PA is safer....
I pay LESS for car insurance in NJ then we did in Pa. The $32 Dad pays is just for the inspection, the emessions dyno testing is a whole nother *additional* charge.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:00 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Vehicle inspections are silly. I'm thankful we don't have them here.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:52 AM
 
Location: High Bridge, NJ
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Vehicle inspections are silly. I'm thankful we don't have them here.
Most people in NJ don't really care one way or the other-it's only the five or six people who posted in this thread
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Rutgers '17
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As a driver of a sh*tbox, this is making me nervous. How long til they tell me I need to "upgrade" to pass inspections?
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