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30k a year isn't working, so money isn't the answer.
There's a good point to be made along the lines Zhelder was going that throwing so much money in adds value by stopping consolidation attempts; it's a lot easier to say "these schools aren't being under-resourced, the problem is local not the state or their neighbors" when you're shoveling so much of other people's money in that they're spending $10K+ more per student than other areas. The money doesn't get results (clearly) but it does inoculate the state against lawsuits that somehow that lack of performance is other people's fault.
Thinking about it a bit more, maybe the answer shouldn't be taking the cash away from the abbott districts but rather making it a match dependent on them raising a certain share locally -- that way the school districts stay swimming in cash but there's less subsidization, and if they don't take the offer it's on them.
30k a year isn't working, so money isn't the answer.
Rich districts get less funding because their moneys come from property taxes, poor districts get more funding because they don't get enough money from property taxes. I believe this is why many years ago the income tax was instituted because of a ruling by the state Supreme Court regarding "thorough and efficient education".
The shortfalls in the poorer districts is made up by state funding. Throwing money at the problem isn't the answer, neither seems to be "core math" or whatever it is called now. 100 yrs ago it was the 3 R's, now it's Computer Sciences and who knows what else, along with anti-bullying mandates, and school lockdowns.
Is saw a picture of a 3yr old girl standing on a toilet seat, supposed to be cute?
No, that's what they are taught to do it there is a "shelter in place" order in schools. Some world we live in today.
All these mandates add to the budgets. Like another poster said, let Millburn kids share with Irvington kids, and "Westwood Park" share with Paterson. That might level out the playing field a little, let exceptional kids from Paterson go to Wayne schools. Your taxes may go down, but what's that going to do to property values?
Rich districts get less funding because their moneys come from property taxes, poor districts get more funding because they don't get enough money from property taxes. I believe this is why many years ago the income tax was instituted because of a ruling by the state Supreme Court regarding "thorough and efficient education".
The shortfalls in the poorer districts is made up by state funding. Throwing money at the problem isn't the answer, neither seems to be "core math" or whatever it is called now. 100 yrs ago it was the 3 R's, now it's Computer Sciences and who knows what else, along with anti-bullying mandates, and school lockdowns.
Is saw a picture of a 3yr old girl standing on a toilet seat, supposed to be cute?
No, that's what they are taught to do it there is a "shelter in place" order in schools. Some world we live in today.
All these mandates add to the budgets. Like another poster said, let Millburn kids share with Irvington kids, and "Westwood Park" share with Paterson. That might level out the playing field a little, let exceptional kids from Paterson go to Wayne schools. Your taxes may go down, but what's that going to do to property values?
You forgot to add gender stuff being taught to the kids.
Lets say 800k apt is paying 12k taxes. This is from Zillow. Its 1.5%. How many other towns in NJ have 1.5% property tax?
And the reason they can afford to provide this tax abatement happens to be?
Higher the market value higher the taxes, does not matter how much land/ground one uses. Otherwise the apartments on Park Avenue in Manhattan would have lower property taxes than houses in Long Island or Queens.
In fact we should do what one other poster here mentioned. No property taxes for school at all. Increase the NJ income tax to provide for state aid on equal basis to every student. Be that be $15,000 per student or $30,000 per student. But same aid for every student.
That way retired people with no income can still manage to live here.
There has been no reval in jersey city in a long time. So alot of the properties in downtown are going by assessments many years ago. So you have properties in nice areas such as downtown paying 1.5% and then you have properties in run down areas with 200-300k hourses paying 10-15k in property taxes as well.
The average prop tax rate in Jersey City is around 2.5% of market value
Across the river in PA, individual school districts can levy taxes against those who live within the school district. In Philadelphia specifically, the Philadelphia School District has to approve certain tax incentive packages towards developers before developers receive them. I believe that, in the case of poorer school districts, the Commonwealth subsidizes the gap between available funds and the actual need for funds; however, PA also provides money to wealthier districts.
Absolutely wrong. It is a lottery system. It is not tested nor chosen by aptitude.
If I have a kid with special needs can I enter them in the lottery?
Do you think a kid being raised by a drug addict or a parent with mental issues or a host of other issues that are more common in poor urban areas than they are across the rest of the State has the same chance that their parent will take the steps to enter the lottery for the charter school?
Absolutely wrong. It is a lottery system. It is not tested nor chosen by aptitude.
That's the official rhetoric, but the truth is much different.
From the article:
" * Applications that are made available just a few hours a year. * Lengthy application forms, often printed only in English, that require student and parent essays, report cards, test scores, disciplinary records, teacher recommendations and medical records. * Demands that students present Social Security cards and birth certificates for their applications to be considered, even though such documents cannot be required under federal law. * Mandatory family interviews. * Assessment exams. * Academic prerequisites." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...able-students/
When we lived in NYC we had to apply to 4 "specialty" public middle schools in order to avoid sending our son to a general population public middle school. It required a visit, an application and releasing my sons scores and grades. We also had to put our choices in rank order. If the 1st school rejected and the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th schools accepted you had to go to the 2nd school. You could not change your mind and choose the 3rd or 4th choice. These are essentially charter schools.
The same situation continues for high school choices in NYC.
If I have a kid with special needs can I enter them in the lottery?
Do you think a kid being raised by a drug addict or a parent with mental issues or a host of other issues that are more common in poor urban areas than they are across the rest of the State has the same chance that their parent will take the steps to enter the lottery for the charter school?
Your all over the map Tom. But that is what folks do when the facts are not on their side. Conflate and distract. So instead, i'll answer your distractions, then follow up with more facts.
2. A kid being raised by a drug addict or parent with mental issues is at a gargantuan disadvantage. But, yes, even drug addicted parents enter their kids in lotteries.
But the point of comparing the outcomes of charter schools is not to debate the merits of the lottery system. It is to show the incredible difference in outcomes from the same pool of children. Any other reading of the data is someone with a teacher union agenda. This entire debate centers around the obscene disparity between some school districts getting $30k per kid while others get $300.
Ask any parent with their child in a charter school if they want that child back in regular public school. Ask yourself why the lotteries are oversubscribed. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was the wool over peoples eyes with regard to the administrative waste of public school unions. And I say that as the son of a former NYC public school principal who has heard all the stories first hand.
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