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Yeah I live in a relatively new building in Central Jersey and its 70% younger people under 35. There are three new apartment complexes near mine that are preleasing that are full or almost full. I think Ive seen maybe 2 or 3 people over 60? The same everywhere else. I went to HS in FL and 10+ people have moved toNJ. My cousin is moving from CA toNJ. New Englanders, who would stick their nose up at NJ as beneath them, have started vacationing here. They simply cannot build fast enough here.
I feel NJ's reputation has made a 180 recently. Rightfully so. Its my favorite state due to a variety of different things.
oh please, New Englanders are not vacationing in NJ. New Jersey has always been long-time established businesses bringing in middle management. People come here do their time and leave to states with better weather or political climate. NJ certainly lacks growth of new business.
oh please, New Englanders are not vacationing in NJ. New Jersey has always been long-time established businesses bringing in middle management. People come here do their time and leave to states with better weather or political climate. NJ certainly lacks growth of new business.
idk us younger people feel differently, way differently. Sorry.
Yeah I live in a relatively new building in Central Jersey and its 70% younger people under 35. There are three new apartment complexes near mine that are preleasing that are full or almost full. I think Ive seen maybe 2 or 3 people over 60? The same everywhere else. I went to HS in FL and 10+ people have moved toNJ. My cousin is moving from CA toNJ. New Englanders, who would stick their nose up at NJ as beneath them, have started vacationing here. They simply cannot build fast enough here.
I feel NJ's reputation has made a 180 recently. Rightfully so. Its my favorite state due to a variety of different things.
I never did understand the New England snobbery, but I feel that would perhaps come more from Connecticut than Massachusetts.
Ever heard NJ called Mass Lite? I think that is just about accurate.
I've lived all over and I will take off again, things are still free for me here due to family so here I am. Can't ain't to get to N... (pick a state whose initials start with N, like New Mexico.)
I never did understand the New England snobbery, but I feel that would perhaps come more from Connecticut than Massachusetts.
Ever heard NJ called Mass Lite? I think that is just about accurate.
I've lived all over and I will take off again, things are still free for me here due to family so here I am. Can't ain't to get to N... (pick a state whose initials start with N, like New Mexico.)
I mean, in all fairness and defense of most, NJ really didn't have much to offer 20-40 years ago that other states didn't have. Asbury Park, Hoboken, Jersey City and other spots that are hopping today were not good then. Why would you go to the Shore 20-40 years ago, when you had the Cape, Mystic, Newport, Nantucket, Marthas Vineyard, Coastal Maine, Gloucester, Rockport, and Portsmouth NH at your doorstep? LBI/Cape May were great back then too, but are you going out of your way for that? Hmmm, idk... So thats where the snobbery on NJ probably stems from.
But alot of New England/Massachusetts looks like the yuck parts of NJ: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4020...7i16384!8i8192 Could be Rahway or Woodbridge https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4057...7i16384!8i8192 Gives me Southern Bergen County vibes https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4641...7i16384!8i8192 Elizabeth https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2460...7i16384!8i8192 Route 17 in Bergen County
Now, NJ capitalized on its cities and built environment, improved its transit access and really fixed up from the Shore to the Waterfront to building up Central Jersey. The transformation was massive.
And this is what people want. I want to be able to own a car, but not use it all the time. I want to live close to a train station in a walkable city where I can take the train to go out/go to work/see other cool towns. NJ offers this whether you live on the Raritan Line (Somerville, Bound Brook, Cranford, Westfield, Fanwood), Morristown Line (Morristown, Maplewood, Summit, Millburn), Coastal Line (Asbury Park, Long Branch, Red Bank, South Amboy, Rahway), Main Line (Ridgewood, Ramsey, Mahwah) or the Bergen-Hudson Light Rail (North Bergen, Grove Street, Hoboken, Journal Sq, Weehawken). I want to have access to the beach (Shore), mountains (NJ Highlands/Poconos/Catskills even), Hiking, Parks and other natural amenities.
I mean, in all fairness and defense of most, NJ really didn't have much to offer 20-40 years ago that other states didn't have. Asbury Park, Hoboken, Jersey City and other spots that are hopping today were not good then. Why would you go to the Shore 20-40 years ago, when you had the Cape, Mystic, Newport, Nantucket, Marthas Vineyard, Coastal Maine, Gloucester, Rockport, and Portsmouth NH at your doorstep? LBI/Cape May were great back then too, but are you going out of your way for that? Hmmm, idk... So thats where the snobbery on NJ probably stems from.
But alot of New England/Massachusetts looks like the yuck parts of NJ: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4020...7i16384!8i8192 Could be Rahway or Woodbridge https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4057...7i16384!8i8192 Gives me Southern Bergen County vibes https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4641...7i16384!8i8192 Elizabeth https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2460...7i16384!8i8192 Route 17 in Bergen County
Now, NJ capitalized on its cities and built environment, improved its transit access and really fixed up from the Shore to the Waterfront to building up Central Jersey. The transformation was massive.
And this is what people want. I want to be able to own a car, but not use it all the time. I want to live close to a train station in a walkable city where I can take the train to go out/go to work/see other cool towns. NJ offers this whether you live on the Raritan Line (Somerville, Bound Brook, Cranford, Westfield, Fanwood), Morristown Line (Morristown, Maplewood, Summit, Millburn), Coastal Line (Asbury Park, Long Branch, Red Bank, South Amboy, Rahway), Main Line (Ridgewood, Ramsey, Mahwah) or the Bergen-Hudson Light Rail (North Bergen, Grove Street, Hoboken, Journal Sq, Weehawken). I want to have access to the beach (Shore), mountains (NJ Highlands/Poconos/Catskills even), Hiking, Parks and other natural amenities.
NJ has it.
Nice neighborhoods too! Hingham looks like Ridgewood.
I've said this many times here before, but will say it again (as someone that grew up in MA and has lived here for 10+ years). NJ and MA are more similar than they are different.
- Towns are structured in a similar way, which is very different than the town/village structure of NY state
- Leafy, rich suburbs look fairly similar as they were designed in similar eras
- The "cities" tend to be run-down, with in some cases very nice suburbs right up against some fairly sketchy cities (with Boston being the obvious exception)
- NJ maintains a higher density much farther out on account of NYC being so much larger than Boston, but 50 miles out (somewhere in Western Morris county, I suppose) feels quite similar to the 495 belt that I grew up on (25 miles out from Boston)
Anyway, I digress. Will reiterate to the OP - give it more time, if you still hate it in a year, consider your options.
I've said this many times here before, but will say it again (as someone that grew up in MA and has lived here for 10+ years). NJ and MA are more similar than they are different.
- Towns are structured in a similar way, which is very different than the town/village structure of NY state
- Leafy, rich suburbs look fairly similar as they were designed in similar eras
- The "cities" tend to be run-down, with in some cases very nice suburbs right up against some fairly sketchy cities (with Boston being the obvious exception)
- NJ maintains a higher density much farther out on account of NYC being so much larger than Boston, but 50 miles out (somewhere in Western Morris county, I suppose) feels quite similar to the 495 belt that I grew up on (25 miles out from Boston)
Anyway, I digress. Will reiterate to the OP - give it more time, if you still hate it in a year, consider your options.
Great assessment, what I was trying to get at. Both states are similar build and style.
NJ being obviously denser for longer without a central city.
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That’s not even the worst “yuck” NJ has to offer. I don’t recall ever seeing anything like Camden, Irvington or most of Newark or Paterson in Massachusetts.
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