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Isn't part of the cost to educate a student taken from property taxes? If it was 100% funded by the government I guess I could see where you were coming from.
How much capacity would the better schools really have if they have to take the current resident students plus others? I imagine very few would then benefit from the lottery.
Exactly!! In a state as densely populated as NJ the logistics to implement this are just too great
Can you imagine the 4 public high schools in Jersey City all wanting to attend Bayonne High School or some high school in Bergen County
some kids would get in but the vast majority would not
Lets say City 1 decides they want crappy schools so they make class sizes 100 students each, pay minimum wage to teachers, have no administration, janitorial staff, or security whatsoever... as a result, the city only needs $1,000 in property taxes from each home (70% of property taxes go to schools)
City 2 wants good to great schools. They want class sizes of 20 - 25 kids, pay a competitive wage to teachers, ensure they have the administration, janitorial staff, and security that's required to ensure a good to great education. As a result, residents in that city need to pay $5,000 in property taxes.
Why do you believe people who get the benefits of living in City 1 (low taxes) should also get the benefit of the great schools that City 2 is paying for with their property taxes?
Your issue is you believe people "deserve" things... and that's just absurd... the only thing we "deserve" is the opportunity... the opportunity to seek the things in life we want. We do not "deserve" to get them... we are not "entitled" to receive them. The more we as a society continue to feel we are entitled to, the less motivation that exists in this country for us all to work very hard to get what we want. Why go to college, I am "entitled" to $120k a year on welfare and full health benefits from the Government. Why sacrifice to live in a safe place to raise my kids, I'm entitled to take extravegent vacations and drive a BMW while living in an inner city shack and still being provided absolute safety and a great way of life at a minimum wage job.
Entitlement is socialism... socialism fails because it demotivates people. It takes incentives away from the have nots to rise above as they suddenly have... it takes incentives away from the want mores because no matter how hard they work, they can't get ahead and without those people, the economy and the civilization stagnate and die.
You have it EXACTLY backwards. Public school by its very definition is socialism. Paying for your own childrens education from beginning to end is capitalism.
and where do the poorer towns with lower tax rates get this money from???
you know as well as anyone else the range of per pupil cost varies per district....
The have less have the same chances as the haves..actually to educate your kids in college you either have to be wealthy or below the poverty line..the wealthy have the $$$$ the below the poverty line have all the free gov $$$$$ the middle class just goes deeper into debt with student loans....we get squat
What you propose and some other threads I've read I strongly suggest you try living in Cuba for a year and see socialism at it's best
LOL!!! Bababua's idea is the least socialistic of all the ones in this thread. People throw around the term socialism in here alot and seem to have no idea what it is and is not.
Public school is SOCIALISM. It is using the common goods (taxes) to grant an entitlement for the public good (educating children) in opposition to the free market (capitalism).
And just a little FYI, Cuba is COMMUNIST not SOCIALIST.
the only thing we "deserve" is the opportunity... the opportunity to seek the things in life we want.
How about the opportunity to send your child to the district you desire?
I love the proposal but it fly smack into the face of all adults involved in the school education system except a few parents in low tax towns. The better (higher taxed) district's teachers, admins and parents don't want additional kids (unless they're willing to pay the full load and come with no issues.) The marginal districts don't want to lose revenue. No one involved in this monopoly wants competition to enter the process.
Maybe cynical but education of our kids is a business; all about adult pay and benefits. The once American ideal of the advantages of private competition have eroded; replaced by the desire of all too many to look for the government to hold their hand. We can't even get to the point where we give parents the ability to send the 1/3 of their property tax bill earmarked for education to the school of choice; forget about open enrollment and real choice unless wealthy or willing to make real sacrifice.
How about the opportunity to send your child to the district you desire?
I love the proposal but it fly smack into the face of all adults involved in the school education system except a few parents in low tax towns. The better (higher taxed) district's teachers, admins and parents don't want additional kids (unless they're willing to pay the full load and come with no issues.) The marginal districts don't want to lose revenue. No one involved in this monopoly wants competition to enter the process.
Maybe cynical but education of our kids is a business; all about adult pay and benefits. The once American ideal of the advantages of private competition have eroded; replaced by the desire of all too many to look for the government to hold their hand. We can't even get to the point where we give parents the ability to send the 1/3 of their property tax bill earmarked for education to the school of choice; forget about open enrollment and real choice unless wealthy or willing to make real sacrifice.
Well why don't we do away with public schools altogether? It would lower property taxes and allow people to use that money to send students to whatever private schools they wanted. Also, private schools have the ability to expel students that most public school do not. Therefore the kids that dont behave and engage in their education would no longer need to have it and only those actively interested in learning would be there.
LOL!!! Bababua's idea is the least socialistic of all the ones in this thread. People throw around the term socialism in here alot and seem to have no idea what it is and is not.
Public school is SOCIALISM. It is using the common goods (taxes) to grant an entitlement for the public good (educating children) in opposition to the free market (capitalism).
And just a little FYI, Cuba is COMMUNIST not SOCIALIST.
Both for your fyi..imo..
I'm just happy my kids are through school as people & ideas are getting down right scary
How about the opportunity to send your child to the district you desire?
I love the proposal but it fly smack into the face of all adults involved in the school education system except a few parents in low tax towns. The better (higher taxed) district's teachers, admins and parents don't want additional kids (unless they're willing to pay the full load and come with no issues.) The marginal districts don't want to lose revenue. No one involved in this monopoly wants competition to enter the process.
Maybe cynical but education of our kids is a business; all about adult pay and benefits. The once American ideal of the advantages of private competition have eroded; replaced by the desire of all too many to look for the government to hold their hand. We can't even get to the point where we give parents the ability to send the 1/3 of their property tax bill earmarked for education to the school of choice; forget about open enrollment and real choice unless wealthy or willing to make real sacrifice.
That opportunity already exists... buy a home or rent in the school district you'd like your students to attend. There are plenty fo anti-discrimination laws on the books which enable you to do just that. If you make other choices, you have no reason to feel entitled to this outcome. Choices have consequences, good and bad.
That opportunity already exists... buy a home or rent in the school district you'd like your students to attend. There are plenty fo anti-discrimination laws on the books which enable you to do just that. If you make other choices, you have no reason to feel entitled to this outcome. Choices have consequences, good and bad.
Agreed
Well gee there is a new thought who would have thought that
This is a bit beyond the reach of a grade school child. My plan would give them all a fair chance. YOu assume that they all have a fair chance and then can figure out your argument, by that point its too late. Sorry for wanting the best for children.
All children are given a fair chance, you've heard of No Child Left Behind right? Our school system entitles ALL children to some minimum standard of knowledge. That's a decision the Government and people of this country have made, what that standard of knowledge is. If you feel your children should get more than that standard, again, buy a place someplace that enables them to receive it. They are not entitled to it.
I just bought a house. Guess what? I took the school district in to consideration when I bought it.
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