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Old 04-30-2010, 12:22 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Hungary is a country. Not a state of craving a sandwich.

And the sad story is the same old sad story...it's not the person who did everything right in their life, and chose NOT to smoke crackola or inject heroin into their veins and have kids (to boot) RESPONSIBILITY to take care of those who did. Yes, the children the morons brought into the world suffer, but the last time I checked Roe V. Wade has not been overturned.
When those kids suffer, the rest of us suffer.

Also, most people consider it immoral to let kids suffer simply because their parents are morons and/or irresponsible. As someone who values life and would love to see Roe v. Wade overturned, I find your attitude towards the suffering of children to be deplorable.

 
Old 04-30-2010, 03:09 AM
 
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I am not for feeding them at school, dont most of these families if poor GET FOOD STAMPS?????? I know three families that get food stamps and have their kids notice the word is KIDS not kid eat at school too. Where does that food stamp money go? So we are feeding them twice???? This is BS!~~
 
Old 04-30-2010, 03:13 AM
 
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I don't know why others feel virtuous about government seizing money from one citizen and giving it to another citizen that hasn't earned it. That's akin to theft. Shame on those who think that holds virtue. These people that are demonized as 'rich' are often entrepreneurs, small business owners, who are creating products for others who desire them. To think these actions are less virtuous than a government level bureaurcrat legislating punitive tax code, who, in most cases, hasn't done a lick of work in the private sector in his or her lifetime, is naive. Sorry, I'm not buying it.. no sale. I believe in merit. If someone EARNS over 400k a year, and elevates others by offering employment, then I will side with that person every single time. Taxing the rich, and stigmitizing people as 'rich', is harmful. And it's counterproductive.
I agree!!!!
 
Old 04-30-2010, 04:49 AM
 
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Not for nothing but it is a benefit to ALL children to not have hungry ones in class. Hungry children are more likely to act out, cause trouble and be aggressive.

Additionally lots of the food used for the public lunch programs at schools are already subsidized since the feds provide lots of the surplus food they have bought from farmers. So to some degree or another EVERY students is getting at least a partially subsidized lunch if they are buying it at school. Seriously where else can you get a meal for $1.50? So some kids get slightly more subsidizing than the others.

Besides where does it stop. This week christie thinks poor kids should go hungry, next week they do not get foster homes any more and after that he brings back work houses? Like it or not this country has repeatedly shown that socialistic programs are necessary for the success of the society, little things like public education, police force, fire stations etc. Same goes for maintaining the health and well being of the only group of citizens who cannot do for themselves, children.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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This week christie thinks poor kids should go hungry,
That he doesn't think it's the state government's job to provide food, doesn't mean that he thinks they should go hungry. Ironically, states where the view that the government should be the primary provider of food prevailed, have not been very effective at feeding people.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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That he doesn't think it's the state government's job to provide food, doesn't mean that he thinks they should go hungry. Ironically, states where the view that the government should be the primary provider of food prevailed, have not been very effective at feeding people.
Exactly and we get plenty of federal money for this program..maybe this program as well as other social feel good programs needs some tweaking

Sheesh lighten up people no one is saying any child should go hungry..another poster brought up a good point...during the summer do these kids only get one meal a day???

I am aware of the economy and the fact people have fallen on hard times, they were not the ones I was refering to when I said why would a minimum wage worker ( by choice not circumstances) create another life, in Nj they can barely take care of themselves.

Tigerlily...yes you do need to have presentable clothes for a job interveiw and they were more than likely already in the wardrobe but you DON'T need a $75 french manicure of fake nails....ditch the fakes and that manicure drops to $15..and it's very easy to spot fakes as natural nails are not usually at some ridiculous length
Problem is some who have fallen on hard times don't know how to cut the fluff out
 
Old 04-30-2010, 07:06 AM
 
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I don't know why others feel virtuous about government seizing money from one citizen and giving it to another citizen that hasn't earned it. That's akin to theft. Shame on those who think that holds virtue. These people that are demonized as 'rich' are often entrepreneurs, small business owners, who are creating products for others who desire them. To think these actions are less virtuous than a government level bureaurcrat legislating punitive tax code, who, in most cases, hasn't done a lick of work in the private sector in his or her lifetime, is naive. Sorry, I'm not buying it.. no sale. I believe in merit. If someone EARNS over 400k a year, and elevates others by offering employment, then I will side with that person every single time. Taxing the rich, and stigmitizing people as 'rich', is harmful. And it's counterproductive.
Entrepreneurs and small business owners also consistantly do not pay the correct amount of taxes as required. Until this is fixed I do not find it a problem to raise taxes on these high income earners people who claim to be so heavily taxed.

When your small business owner is writing off their home pc and electronic equiptment they purchased as 'business expenses', their lunches as 'business lunches', all of their gas mileage as 'work expenses' even if they are picking up their kids from school. I can go on and on for the BS write offs.

Ordinary citizens do not have this luxury so they actually end up paying more in taxes.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 07:25 AM
 
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Entrepreneurs and small business owners also consistantly do not pay the correct amount of taxes as required. Until this is fixed I do not find it a problem to raise taxes on these high income earners people who claim to be so heavily taxed.

When your small business owner is writing off their home pc and electronic equiptment they purchased as 'business expenses', their lunches as 'business lunches', all of their gas mileage as 'work expenses' even if they are picking up their kids from school. I can go on and on for the BS write offs.

Ordinary citizens do not have this luxury so they actually end up paying more in taxes.
I find it hard to believe that every small business owner operates in this way - isn't it a bit extreme to lump all small business owners (who cheat the system or do not) together? There are parents who are spending their welfare on themselves (designer clothes, expensive cell phones, etc) instead of providing for their children for example - should we stop welfare completely because of this? Unfortunately, as always, the few give the many a bad rap - and the many are punished because of it.

I personally do not like paying for the food of children that are not my own - I have enough problems as is it without worrying about other peoples kids. That said though this is a noble cause I am willing to support. Alas I know that some people are taking advantage of the system - but to punish the children for their actions... no. Everyone deserves to eat. It's why I donate to charity and support these programs - I wish they were not needed however.

EDIT: Fixed some comments to be a bit clearer.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 07:48 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default food subsidies cut back

Glad to hear that but it is only a start.

If there is a need to assume parental responsibilities and feed children it should in no way be tied to the education budget. There should also be a charge back to the parents whose children receive the food.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 08:11 AM
 
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My comment about tickets harks back to my days in school in the 80's and 90's, when in fact, the "poor" kids recieved tickets as vouchers for their meals. In those days a school lunch cost $1.25 to buy. So, the industrious "poor" kids would sell their tickets for a $1.00 so they could buy what they wanted. It was quite the little cottage industry. I suppose I realized times would have changed and now we have digitized school lunches.

It still doesn't change my opinion that it is ultimately an unnecessary expense for the STATE to bear. If the local community wants to provide it, then fine, it's up to them, but I feed my kids, others should as well.

This isn't an attack on children (where have we heard that one before...oh, hello NJEA), but an attack on unnecessary programs tied to a welfare state mentality. I cannot fathom even for one minute that the parent(s) of these kids can't afford to feed them a basic meal, especially considering that most on the subsidized lunch program most likely qualify for other assistance as well. Please folks, put your bleeding hearts back into your chest for a few minutes and think about reality.

Also, it is rather ironic that on the Parenting and Education forums they are vehemently discussing how unhealthy and crappy school lunches are and what must be done about it. So, if the lunches are so crappy most kids who can afford it pack their own or buy the other a la carte options, that means that we are basically subsidzing poor kids to eat crappy food. Last time I checked a slice of Elio's a handful of iceberg lettuce and a pint of milk isn't exactly feeding people.
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