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Old 02-05-2011, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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The other thing she does is try to create the impression that New Yorkers...
I think this is the key. We can all agree that she's calling herself a New Yorker to give some certain impression of herself. In other words, she's identifying herself with a geographic label that she believes will evoke some kind of reaction from the people who hear it. And unfortunately, I think it does so, and in a negative way. By giving herself this label, she's marking herself off as "liberal" and separating herself from the public image of her family, which is strongly associated with the south, with conservative politics, and with Texas, rightly or wrongly. If she had stated in the clip that she was a Texan, the piece would have come across very differently.

It's sad that a city (or state!) of people so diverse and interesting should have its name reappropriated to mean something so one-dimensional. And I agree that it's disingenuous to suddenly invent oneself as a New Yorker just because you think calling yourself one gives you a certain cache'. Lame. There's nothing wrong with being proud of the place you currently reside, but don't claim an inheritance that isn't your own. Frankly I don't see how the fact that she lives in New York (or anywhere else, for that matter) has anything to do with her beliefs about gay marriage. Further, does anyone really care about her opinions anyway? Did anyone ask? Maybe that's the lead we're burying here...
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Old 02-05-2011, 11:54 PM
 
Location: America
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Ahem, Great because now that you said that I am on the next plane to texas to be a "technical cowboy" as soon as I get my phone bill and texas license. I always wanted to shed this whole new york thing and tell my grandparents to get bent and that I never want to see another pizzeria or porkstore again and live my dream to round up cattle rawhide style.
Good luck locating a place to do all that because I honestly couldn't tell you where to find it.

What's funny is that many of the clowns who do walk around in ten gallons and cowboy boots aren't even from here. Hell, some of them are from California....so come on down, partner! We'll be waitin' for ya
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Old 02-06-2011, 06:35 AM
 
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I think this is the key. We can all agree that she's calling herself a New Yorker to give some certain impression of herself. In other words, she's identifying herself with a geographic label that she believes will evoke some kind of reaction from the people who hear it. And unfortunately, I think it does so, and in a negative way. By giving herself this label, she's marking herself off as "liberal" and separating herself from the public image of her family, which is strongly associated with the south, with conservative politics, and with Texas, rightly or wrongly. If she had stated in the clip that she was a Texan, the piece would have come across very differently.

It's sad that a city (or state!) of people so diverse and interesting should have its name reappropriated to mean something so one-dimensional. And I agree that it's disingenuous to suddenly invent oneself as a New Yorker just because you think calling yourself one gives you a certain cache'. Lame. There's nothing wrong with being proud of the place you currently reside, but don't claim an inheritance that isn't your own. Frankly I don't see how the fact that she lives in New York (or anywhere else, for that matter) has anything to do with her beliefs about gay marriage. Further, does anyone really care about her opinions anyway? Did anyone ask? Maybe that's the lead we're burying here...

What the makers of that commercial are trying to do is reinforce the idea that "New Yorker" is not where you and your family grew up but a place you move to adhere to a certain tolerant pro-liberal way of thinking acting and speaking. Like a kind of cult. This is why you here so many on these forums talking about our city like its a concept rather than a hometown for people. Nobody would talk about toledo ohio like a concept, but in the case of new york they do, thus they claim so quickly to be "new yorkers"..

As for the various groups of native new yorkers who in recent years grow up outside of manhattan you will find that predjudices, conservatism racial tensions and other nasty things like that are a fact of life here and the biproduct of so many different cultures rubbing up against each other. This reality must be swept under the rug to make way for ms bush and her manhattan hipster liberal army marketing campaign.
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Old 02-06-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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reinforce the idea that "New Yorker" is not where you and your family grew up but a place you move to adhere to a certain tolerant pro-liberal way of thinking acting and speaking. Like a kind of cult. This is why you here so many on these forums talking about our city like its a concept rather than a hometown for people. Nobody would talk about toledo ohio like a concept, but in the case of new york they do, thus they claim so quickly to be "new yorkers"..
These are often the same people who thinks nyc is anything under 96th street
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: CAPITAL CENTRE
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These are often the same people who thinks nyc is anything under 96th street


Then there are these people who go out of their way to attract attention towards themselves.

It is not actual fun they are having instead it is an exhibition of fun.

They are urban now. City dwellers. This their way of sticking it to everybody back home in Iowa who used to pick on them back in high school.
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Old 02-07-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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It's funny that any member of George Bush's family would call themselves a New Yorker, after they took so much time and effort to make everyone think of them as Texans--and forget about the fact that they're from Maine.
I thought it was Connecticut? lol
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