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Old 04-16-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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Perhaps you were not dragged down the street, at age two, by a sixteen year-old mother who screeched "shut up ! shut up !" every five seconds while babbling to her latest "romantic" interest on her phone. At 3 AM, headed to "hang out." Actually, age is not always a factor. Ignorance is, and it seems to persist.

One of the most difficult things to teach my students, as they smugly and meanly announce that people should just "get jobs," is the quite different sort of life experience many children have from their own. These children do grow into adults.

And yes, we all know exceptions. But they are precisely that.
I hardly had a silver spoon childhood. I wanted a better life than my parents had, or had provided me, and I clawed my way into one. No one did me any favors.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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I hardly had a silver spoon childhood. I wanted a better life than my parents had, or had provided me, and I clawed my way into one. No one did me any favors.
As riaelise mentioned, I believe the majority of posters on this thread are doing just fine. It's not to tout your successes, which is why I feel the point is being missed.

"I did good, how come others can't..."

Huh?

Let's stick to the real issue, which is why do us taxpayers have to pay for other people's living arrangements. That's the question everybody really should ask.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:43 PM
 
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A bit off the topic but as you mentioned Singapore's policies and also the costs of keeping inmates, I will chime in. Prisons are not much of a punishment to most of the repetitive criminals. They have been there before and know the game. They also know all their medical needs will be provided and they usually come out fatter. Make the violent criminals prisons more like an old Mexican jail, work them on chain gangs, keep them in separate cells, give them just enough to keep them alive. Criminals are not going to want to come back to a place like that. They deserve no better given their crimes. I don't understand why they should be entitled to anything else. Oh yes, their rights, but what about the rights of the victims of violent crimes. These criminals deserve the same consideration and rights they gave their victims. It makes me furious.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:43 PM
 
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As riaelise mentioned, I believe the majority of posters on this thread are doing just fine. It's not to tout your successes, which is why I feel the point is being missed.

"I did good, how come others can't..."

Huh?

Let's stick to the real issue, which is why do us taxpayers have to pay for other people's living arrangements. That's the question everybody really should ask.
We shouldn't be. That's the answer in a nutshell. Raise the projects, keep one or two of them for the disabled, and tell the rest to figure it out on their own. 80% will, 18% will end up in jail, and 2% will be on the street.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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We shouldn't be. That's the answer in a nutshell. Raise the projects, keep one or two of them for the disabled, and tell the rest to figure it out on their own. 80% will, 18% will end up in jail, and 2% will be on the street.
This will happen, is my guess.
However, 80% is vastly too optimistic I think.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:59 PM
 
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This will happen, is my guess.
However, 80% is vastly too optimistic I think.
Not really. I'm not saying that 80% will become immediately self-sufficient. Many will move in with friends or family and mooch off of them until they get tossed out and end up crashed with the next sucker willing to take them in. Over time, the vast majority of them will make their own way in life and begin making more responsible decisions if they are forced to do so.
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Old 04-16-2013, 02:03 PM
 
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We shouldn't be. That's the answer in a nutshell. Raise the projects, keep one or two of them for the disabled, and tell the rest to figure it out on their own. 80% will, 18% will end up in jail, and 2% will be on the street.

Actually my idea (and I've been saying this for years) is to limit them to city workers only.
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Old 04-16-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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Actually my idea (and I've been saying this for years) is to limit them to city workers only.
Based on what? Most city workers are paid a living wage--as long as they moderate their reproduction.
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Old 04-16-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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Based on what? Most city workers are paid a living wage--as long as they moderate their reproduction.
Let the city get their money back thats all
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Old 04-16-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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Let the city get their money back thats all
So rent them at market rate? Not a bad idea at all.
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