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Old 05-05-2013, 10:52 PM
 
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This article is on Port Chester, NY, but what it says can be applied to huge parts of the city, especially the Bronx and Queens. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/06/bu...anted=all&_r=0
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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For any city -- big or small -- immigration is a short term cost, but a long-term benefit. Shsort term costs may be in added educational, hospital, police and social service costs. Long-term benefits are new businesses, rehabed housing, and higher tax revenues (these folks still pay all those sales taxes). These folks come here to work. There are whole sections of NYC that would be slums today if not for immigrants.
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Old 05-06-2013, 05:03 PM
 
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I don't see the benefits, especially with so many out of work and median income decreasing. We need more people like we need more malignancies.
The only benefits are to those who make money off ever cheapening labor.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:33 PM
 
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I don't see the benefits, especially with so many out of work and median income decreasing. We need more people like we need more malignancies.
The only benefits are to those who make money off ever cheapening labor.
Well, big parts of the city had immigrants who invested in opening up businesses, buying real estate, etc, long before became popular for the corporate sector to do so. White flight would have left huge parts of Queens slums if hadn't been for working immigrants moving in, renting and buying real estate.

The Bronx would have been pretty much all Section 8 people at one point, if not for immigrants coming in as well. Not just opening up businesses, again, working people who pay rent for places (or buy them) make a big difference in certain communities.

I think overall it may have helped the city's racial dynamics improve, as well. You had images of immigrants blacks who WORKED, as opposed to just the stereotypical image of the inner city welfare queen. Plus you had people of other races coming in, so things were just BLACK OR WHITE.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:39 PM
 
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I don't see the benefits, especially with so many out of work and median income decreasing. We need more people like we need more malignancies.
The only benefits are to those who make money off ever cheapening labor.
If the immigrants are here for work and for a better life, than I'd rather have immigrants than US citizens who have been here for generations mooching off of social welfare programs. Everyone here comes from immigrant stock, even you! Maybe it's because I'm not that far removed in generational terms from my family that came to the USA, but I don't think anyone who is here legally and willing to work should be turned away. Some might go to college to break out of low-wage jobs, but if not a fair number of their children will and they'll be the ones to move on up.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:55 AM
 
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Well, big parts of the city had immigrants who invested in opening up businesses, buying real estate, etc, long before became popular for the corporate sector to do so. White flight would have left huge parts of Queens slums if hadn't been for working immigrants moving in, renting and buying real estate.

The Bronx would have been pretty much all Section 8 people at one point, if not for immigrants coming in as well. Not just opening up businesses, again, working people who pay rent for places (or buy them) make a big difference in certain communities.

I think overall it may have helped the city's racial dynamics improve, as well. You had images of immigrants blacks who WORKED, as opposed to just the stereotypical image of the inner city welfare queen. Plus you had people of other races coming in, so things were just BLACK OR WHITE.

Do not confuse what WAS for what IS.
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Well, big parts of the city had immigrants who invested in opening up businesses, buying real estate, etc, long before became popular for the corporate sector to do so. White flight would have left huge parts of Queens slums if hadn't been for working immigrants moving in, renting and buying real estate.
Wouldn't less white have fled? The Archie Bunker types probably would have been more likely to stay. Outer borough real estate and rent prices would likely be much lower. Crime would be higher, perhaps much higher.
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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This article is on Port Chester, NY, but what it says can be applied to huge parts of the city, especially the Bronx and Queens. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/06/bu...anted=all&_r=0
Port Chester has a pretty cool restaurant strip now. They have restaurants from all over America (north, central, and south). I would say that is a big win for that town.
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:11 AM
 
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Yes, but is the type of immigrant coming to the US different now than what it was 50,30, 20 years ago?
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:13 PM
 
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I'll bet you there are a lot of immigrants and children of immigrants in the specialized schools.
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