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Old 09-30-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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I'm not on assistance, but I really don't see the problem with dipping into something that I've paid TAXES into for years.
The problem with your logic is that if you were to get on assistance, the payout in benefits you would receive would be more than what you paid into it. Especially if you're in a lower tax bracket which I suspect you are given all your "tax the rich 99%" rants.
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:12 AM
 
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The problem with your logic is that if you were to get on assistance, the payout in benefits you would receive would be more than what you paid into it. Especially if you're in a lower tax bracket which I suspect you are given all your "tax the rich 99%" rants.
I've been working since I was 15 years old.

Foodstamps in NY for one person with no dependents is $200, soon to be reduced by $29. Even if I received foodstamps for three years straight with no problems, I'm sure I've paid more than enough to cover it.

Cash in NY would be $90 every two weeks, but I'd be forced to "work" for this money, so it's not a "handout". I would be forced to 'earn' this measly crap by doing slave labor for the city.

As a woman I don't have to put up with this and I wouldn't.

*cues Donna Summer's "Bad Girl", toot! toot!*
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:49 AM
 
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As a woman I don't have to put up with this and I wouldn't.

*cues Donna Summer's "Bad Girl", toot! toot!*
Ok so as a woman what are YOU going to do so you don't have to put up with it? What power do you possess that will convince the city/government to increase the welfare $$$ handouts? How are you going to pull it off?
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:15 AM
 
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Ok so as a woman what are YOU going to do so you don't have to put up with it? What power do you possess that will convince the city/government to increase the welfare $$$ handouts? How are you going to pull it off?
What are you talking about?

I said that I have no intentions of asking the government for anything, because I do not wish to have to do what THEY want me to do to receive it.
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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The New York job market being what it is, a lot of those so-called "able
bodied individuals" are MINORITIES who get doors slammed in their faces when
they show up for job interviews.
You can also include anyone over 50.
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Old 09-30-2013, 01:36 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Ok so as a woman what are YOU going to do so you don't have to put up with it? What power do you possess that will convince the city/government to increase the welfare $$$ handouts? How are you going to pull it off?
I think she's saying that she'd prostitute herself for the money.
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Old 09-30-2013, 02:35 PM
 
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You can also include anyone over 50.
Like yourself right KK?. Now I understand why you have such a disgruntled personality and favor socialist views. Sucks for you though...lol
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Old 09-30-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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I think she's saying that she'd prostitute herself for the money.
Oh yeah. Now it makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up!
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:15 PM
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Generally, I do think that social isolation is the biggest obstacle to multi-generational poverty, and that this is the issue that policymakers should be focusing on. However, I acknowledge that integrating schools economically is very difficult in reality. Those with resources would be more likely to move their kids to private schools it's true. But I don't generally think that integrating schools in this way would be harmful to wealthy and middle class kids. Yes, kids are influenced by their peers, but I'm not talking about giving schools a majority of problem students.

One example though...my husband and most of his extended family grew up in East Harlem as children of Panamanian immigrants who valued education. Now grown, almost all are college-educated professionals - a couple are blue collar, but there is not one on any type of assistance, despite the influences in their environment.
I just have to ask. Did your husband and his siblings get to go to schools that were outside of their environment? Or just better schools with special programs like honors or gifted programs? Did the parents stay on top of things like the friends they hung out with, or how they actually spent their leisure time?

I will guess until you answer that the parents worked either from home or outside and they restricted access to certain types of people and places. Most of us that are raised in neighborhoods like East Harlem and we do well in school and we achieve some success are raised with these similarities.

I don't want to agree with some posters because they make obvious prejudice remarks on many post. But I have to agree with their comments on the children having to deal with negative distractions in school and that some parents can pay the cost to live in certain areas to keep their children out of some environments. I felt that my middle school years were a total waste of time educationally, but I learned a lot about people and life and how not to let the distractions interfere. I learned that I could handle being with and by myself when it came to school. There were students that came from elementary that came from families like mine, but many succumbed to the pressures of the new environment. It was very hard at that age of 12 - 14 to think independently no matter how involved your parents are.

We had a good music program also. But homeroom/English teacher, and the music teachers were junkies.

I was reading at a 12th grade level, and was at a 9th grade math level when I finished elementary. My middle school math teacher was excellent and taught us Algebra and geometry. I was able to go on to honors math in HS He was wealthy and drove a very expensive car to work and lived on the East side in the 70's so he was really dedicated teacher. Because he could do it for the love of it. He also had no preconceived notions of race or class or culture and the idea that these things affect a persons learning. He was also the only one.

With my love of reading I continued to read as if my life depended on it. While I made it to the HS honors program and actual reading was not a problem the technical aspects of grammar etc I was behind. However in HS it was good because there were many students from families like mine that valued education. There were others too, but middle school taught me how to handle that. I didn't go to the same schools as my other friends in my neighborhood.

Many children don't have this seperation. They go to school and live only around the same people. The people they are exposed to are nothing like the education valuing parents you are referring to. Children from these types of families are very distracting to other children and its not their fault, but also people that are paying property taxes and other expenses to live in better areas should have a say on who their children go to school with.

There should be some hoops the parents need to jump through to get the child into good schools in good environments to show that they are concerned and involved.
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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I think she's saying that she'd prostitute herself for the money.
"Self sufficiency" as you would say, right Airborneguy?

Better than asking for "handouts". Lol!
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